Only 64 million people and still counting voted for Harris. This strategy would have us turn against everyone else in the US and allow the fascists to outnumber us by our own hands. It is a useless strategy. Organizing with everyone we can against fascists is how we win. We outnumber them.
This. Fucking this. We can only win next time if we let them know now that they are terrible people who made terrible choices. That will definitely lead to victory.
Not everyone did so knowingly. There are people who did knowingly vote for fascists of course. But there are plenty of people who got brainwashed by Fox News. It’s not useful to create millions of enemies when we already outnumber the fascists.
Fox News brainwashed my Grandma and Mom. They’re both Jewish. My Grandmother didn’t live to see this. She was the kindest person I’ve ever met. She would never hurt anyone.
My Mom’s an asshole, but she’s still my Mom and I lover her despite the fact she is brainwashed and misgenders me because my peace of mind makes her insecure. You think the fascists are going to care that she voted for them? As far as the fascists are concerned, she’s one more person they get to kill.
There’s going to be a lot of that. It’s important to remember no one deserves fascism and there is nothing anyone can do to deserve fascism. So even though some of these people, whose faces will be eaten, voted for fascists, they can one day still become allies.
I have to agree here. My father was a very well educated man. He has parts that he designed and manufactured by himself in the Smithsonian Aeronautical Museum, as well as parts that he designed and manufactured in the Hubble.
In the end, the fall of this intelligent man was Fox News. It is a brain worm. I loved him dearly, but the combination of conspiracy and hatred consumed him in the end. The last time I saw him, he asked to see his son. I will never recover from this.
The worst case estimate has it at 11 million people are fascists in the US. This is from 2018, but it gives a good ball park number for today. edit: 2018 not 2016
The fascist dictator in waiting is literally leading the in the popular vote. Even if that changes in the coming weeks, it’s gonna be a very large minority…
I voted for Kamala. Fascists don’t care who you voted for. They only care about skull measurements and skin color. They will happily deport or kill all the minorities who foolishly or knowingly voted them into power.
It doesn’t matter. We’re in this situation now. It’s time to stop using moral reasoning to solve problems. Analyze strategies based on how useful they are to advance a goal. Lashing out at everyone isn’t useful. Organizing with them is.
Fascists absolutely care who you voted for. They put party (and then country) above everything else.
The word you were looking for is racists. They care about skull sizes and skin color.
These groups are not mutually inclusive, but there is a whole lot of overlap.
The fascists will kill you for voting for their opposition sure. They were going to kill their political and ideological opponents regardless. They know they need to remove socialists and progressives so the country they takeover has no alternative to them. They aren’t going to spare a member of an out group because that person voted for them.
Nationalism is just a mechanism to justify racism to the fascist. Not all racists are fascists, but all fascists are racists.
That’s why efforts to organize grassroots movements need to start now. While we still have the cover of our democracy for about the next two and half months. When happens next depends on our ability to convince people who don’t vote to care.
Yeah, we all know people like this… People who should care, but they don’t. Most are older folks in my experience.
On the bright side, Trump is very old and unhealthy. I’m not sure he can make it another 4 years. His mind is already going, it’s very clear to anyone not drinking the Kool Aid.
Belief can be a source of hope during dark times but the Nazis weren’t stopped with good intentions and a pat on the shoulder. They were fought back with blood, steel and a fuckton of bombs.
Believe in people. All we have is each other. And we all need each other now.
Didn’t people vote for Trump?
Seems the people have abandoned us.
We’re on our own.
The fascists are the minority of this country.
He won the popular vote…
There are over 340 million people in this country. 70 million people isn’t a majority. And not even all of those people are fascists.
If you vote for a fascist, you’re a fascist.
Also, if you fail to vote against a fascist… 😬
Only 64 million people and still counting voted for Harris. This strategy would have us turn against everyone else in the US and allow the fascists to outnumber us by our own hands. It is a useless strategy. Organizing with everyone we can against fascists is how we win. We outnumber them.
If only that were evident by the fucking people that showed up to vote.
This. Fucking this. We can only win next time if we let them know now that they are terrible people who made terrible choices. That will definitely lead to victory.
Not everyone did so knowingly. There are people who did knowingly vote for fascists of course. But there are plenty of people who got brainwashed by Fox News. It’s not useful to create millions of enemies when we already outnumber the fascists.
Fox News brainwashed my Grandma and Mom. They’re both Jewish. My Grandmother didn’t live to see this. She was the kindest person I’ve ever met. She would never hurt anyone.
My Mom’s an asshole, but she’s still my Mom and I lover her despite the fact she is brainwashed and misgenders me because my peace of mind makes her insecure. You think the fascists are going to care that she voted for them? As far as the fascists are concerned, she’s one more person they get to kill.
“I didn’t think the leopards world eat my face”, cried person who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party
There’s going to be a lot of that. It’s important to remember no one deserves fascism and there is nothing anyone can do to deserve fascism. So even though some of these people, whose faces will be eaten, voted for fascists, they can one day still become allies.
I have to agree here. My father was a very well educated man. He has parts that he designed and manufactured by himself in the Smithsonian Aeronautical Museum, as well as parts that he designed and manufactured in the Hubble.
In the end, the fall of this intelligent man was Fox News. It is a brain worm. I loved him dearly, but the combination of conspiracy and hatred consumed him in the end. The last time I saw him, he asked to see his son. I will never recover from this.
I’m sorry that happened. Thank you for sharing. People need to hear stories like these.
Yes, but how many are of voting age, though, and how many of those are eligible? 340 million includes everyone, including those who can’t.
161 million registered voters in 2024. ~140 million votes cast.
The worst case estimate has it at 11 million people are fascists in the US. This is from 2018, but it gives a good ball park number for today. edit: 2018 not 2016
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists
The fascist dictator in waiting is literally leading the in the popular vote. Even if that changes in the coming weeks, it’s gonna be a very large minority…
70 million people isn’t a majority of 340 million people. And not all of the 70 million people are fascists.
If you didn’t vote against the fascist then i have bad news for you…
I voted for Kamala. Fascists don’t care who you voted for. They only care about skull measurements and skin color. They will happily deport or kill all the minorities who foolishly or knowingly voted them into power.
“You” as-in “a voter/someone”.
Not you as-in you specifically, obviously.
It doesn’t matter. We’re in this situation now. It’s time to stop using moral reasoning to solve problems. Analyze strategies based on how useful they are to advance a goal. Lashing out at everyone isn’t useful. Organizing with them is.
You’re conflating assholes here.
Fascists absolutely care who you voted for. They put party (and then country) above everything else. The word you were looking for is racists. They care about skull sizes and skin color.
These groups are not mutually inclusive, but there is a whole lot of overlap.
The fascists will kill you for voting for their opposition sure. They were going to kill their political and ideological opponents regardless. They know they need to remove socialists and progressives so the country they takeover has no alternative to them. They aren’t going to spare a member of an out group because that person voted for them.
Nationalism is just a mechanism to justify racism to the fascist. Not all racists are fascists, but all fascists are racists.
This is emphatically true, however, the majority of this country is silent. They don’t vote.
This is how democracy dies, and this is how evil wins.
That’s why efforts to organize grassroots movements need to start now. While we still have the cover of our democracy for about the next two and half months. When happens next depends on our ability to convince people who don’t vote to care.
Yeah, we all know people like this… People who should care, but they don’t. Most are older folks in my experience.
On the bright side, Trump is very old and unhealthy. I’m not sure he can make it another 4 years. His mind is already going, it’s very clear to anyone not drinking the Kool Aid.
Belief can be a source of hope during dark times but the Nazis weren’t stopped with good intentions and a pat on the shoulder. They were fought back with blood, steel and a fuckton of bombs.
Defend yourself against fascists.