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    You don’t win an election just with vibes.

    Kamala didn’t bring as much substance as what the left electorate was expecting from her, and couldn’t differentiate herself from Biden and the current term she is serving under. The whole democratic party went under because all they promise is vibes compared the current economical struggles people are facing.

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      The truth is the dems are a right wing party now, they’ve been dragged there by the rethugs… and people Want to vote for an Actual left wing party, but there literally isnt one in the US.

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        The poison of the “big tent”. Move a little over to let people in enough and you are no longer representing anyone in a desperate attempt to represent everyone.

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    I love how Economy is a high priority, yet they voted for the asshole known being the genius behind several bankruptcies. “The economy isn’t doing good, clearly we need someone who can fuck shit up to make it work!”

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      Unironically, I think that was the thought process.

      Hard to vote for someone who is telling you all is well and the people that got the country here are competent and mean well, when the country is going through 5 different crises, all preventing you from living a decent life.

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          She didn’t have to defend it. This was an election to run over Biden until he was just a pile of goo. She could have came out with some strong contrasting policies, instead she gave some great sound bytes for Trump.

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    It’s simple, and history has borne this out many many times.

    In a bad economy, no one cares about your politics if you’re the candidate of change. There’s a reason why Harris spent two months repeating memes instead of defending Biden’s policies, because it’s impossible to defend the fact that you had four years to rule and there are more people working 2-3 jobs just to survive.

    They knew they needed to appeal to workers. Instead, they spent most of the campaign repeating this meaningless platitude about joy to people who are being worked to death.

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      In a bad economy, no one cares about your politics

      That’s no excuse for electing someone whose stated policies and politics will fuck the economy even further and faster.

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        Sure it is, if you don’t understand economics, which few Merkins do. The evidence is right in front of us.

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      Also, there were plenty of people who were never going to vote for a woman, no matter what.

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        If that’s why Kamala lost, then explain why Tammy Baldwin is winning Wisconsin and Elissa Slotkin is winning in Michigan.

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        I’m sure that’s true too, but that’s not the reason she lost, and Democrats will continue to stack losses if that’s the narrative that they go with.

        Democrats haven’t been ceding male voters to Republicans for 16 years because they hate women. It’s because, in the liberal and activist communities, it’s become customary and accepted to treat men like shit.

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          It’s because, in the liberal and activist communities, it’s become customary and accepted to treat men like shit.

          this is just as dumb as the opposite “they didn’t vote for Kamala because she’s a woman”

          people don’t like Kamala because she’s an extension of Joe Biden and Biden has been a failure. that’s why she lost. she offered status quo when people want change. the DNC is incapable of changing quick enough to avoid fascism

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        Plenty of people will also never vote for a black man, but that worked spectacularly for the Democrats the first time.

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    Healthcare: 8%

    That explains why americans in America are provided with less(no at all) healthcare than american tourisis in fucking Russia.

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      This is what happens if any foreigner for example breaks bone in Russia:

      1. Emergency, including emergency specialized, medical care is provided to foreign citizens in case of sickness, accident, trauma, poisining and other cases requireing emergency treatment. Such medical treatment provided by state and municipal healthcare organizations is free of charge.
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        Specifically, state and municipal? Is there some other form of healthcare organization that can provide medical treatment?

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    Honestly, I hope Trump and his republican dumb fucks go through with their tariff plan to “save” the much improved economy. Americans deserve it.

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      It’s more that Harris did such a terrible job that even the other side being literal Hitler didn’t save her.

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        Bro, in don’t care how bad Harris is/was. If you prefer trump to her, it’s on you.

        As always, mathematically not voting is equivalent to voting for the winner, since it’s a vote that didn’t change the result. So yeah. The above statement rings true.

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          As easy as it is to blame voters, the American electorate didn’t want fascism. That’s just false. Harris dug her own grave by actively discouraging voters who didn’t want fascism. This electorate is the same one that elected Biden in 2020 and (mostly) the same one that elected Obama in 2008 and 2012. They just wanted a real candidate and Harris wasn’t that.

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          Leftist fascism is called fascism, because the term leftist doesn’t actually mean anything but fascism and communism do.

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        They elected the candidate backed by Russia, which is still the shining beacon of a global superpower for the Tankies out there. So I guess Trump is a perfectly fine representative of fascism, left or right.

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      Thinking back to the one debate he had with Harris, Trump blathered nonstop about immigration. He talks about it like a wave of moorish invaders sweeping across the land, pillaging. This is obviously a powerful Image if you can get people to believe it. And in some areas people have been feeling like American culture is giving way to Mexican culture as the population in their home towns shifts, so Trump’s rhetoric taps into something that was already there. And if we’re honest, border policy is a weird zone where many of the laws don’t make intuitive sense. America talks out of both sides of its mouth on the issue, historically. A lot of people are here illegally whom we depend on utterly to staff our economy. So their presence is in some way sanctioned, tolerated, but not fully legitimized in law. When someone comes along and articulates one clear direction on immigration, it sounds like someone is speaking clearly for the first time. Even if that direction is stupid, hateful, xenophobic, and economically unviable.

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        I hear what you’re saying. What boring people to be afraid of novel cultures.

        Anyway, fine, close the border and make it so only US citizens can do all the labor nobody wants to do. Watch how much doesn’t get done; the economics behind work and such don’t change rapidly. I’ll bet most small farmers get destroyed with fields full of rotting, previously ready to harvest crops because nobody can offer a citizen enough to do the work, in a way that still yields a profit.

        The billionaires with factory farms and prison labor will likely win out again.

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      Never liked that argument. It’s essentially “Why, don’t you like immigration, dummy? Don’t you know immigrants are easily exploited to do hard labour cheaply?”

      I’m not saying it isn’t true, especially in the west, but in my eyes, there are much more moral arguments for immigration.

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        I agree that it’s low-hanging… nope. Bailing on that one.

        I do think quality farm work is critical for our health as a nation, and I don’t mean economically.

        Can we automate it? Maybe. Till then, someone’s gotta do it, and for those who go into it, there’s gotta be a floor on job quality, seemingly basic things like bathroom and water breaks.

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        Conservatives don’t care about that sort of morals. They only care about what affects them directly. Maybe that means they can’t find tomatoes or apples one day. Then they’ll blame some Democrat for the problem.

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      They’re convenient scapegoats that can’t defend themselves. “Look, it’s a witch! Burn it”

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          They’re different, even if they’re very similar. The important part is that they look different, too, because if you talked about all the white immigrants taking the white-collar jobs people would have to actually think beyond just a face-value assessment. Brown is bad is a lot easier than person over there could be anything so I need to talk to them and form even a basic relationship with them to figure out what’s going on and by then I might not be able to hate them so absolutely.

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          Well they’re all lazy criminal welfare queens who are also taking all of our jobs somehow, don’t you read the right wing propag- I mean, news?

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          Being different is scary enough for those that lack education (either willingly or due to circumstances out of their control)

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      The economy is actually great. Most people just don’t have the brains to understand why when they feel like it isn’t. Sentiment is king.

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          Which is exactly my point. Many Americans don’t feel like the economy is better in their own lives. But, overall, from a macroeconomic perspective, the economy is doing great.

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            Who gives a fuck about the macroeconomic perspective

            The economy, to any person with a pulse, means “can I afford to live”. If the dictionary definition of an economy is different, then speak the language of the people.

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              Then you have to be willing to do economics like in Europe and redistribute (the GDP) wealth to basically make everyone middle-class. But Americans are also unwilling to do that. That’s “socialism” or “communism” or whatever label conservatives like to add to it. The US may have a somewhat higher GDP than many European countries, but most Europeans feel much more financially secure than most Americans.

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        This is the kind of out of touch thinking that is why Harris lost.

        It literally doesn’t matter how great the economy is if people are struggling, and they are.

        No one gives a shit about how much the GDP grew, they can about the price of eggs and milk.

        Harris repeated biden saying the economy is great and ignored that there are people struggling and focusing in on messaging to help them.

        I know her policies might have helped the average American, but no one reads policies anymore, unfortunately.

        I’m a Harris voter.

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          The economy is stable and we’re at a new normal. People are hoping to take things back to how they were before even though that’s not how economies work.

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          If you look at the average salary, it has kept up or exceeded inflation, but it has taken some time to catch up. But again, it’s the sentiment. If people feel poorer, they are poorer, even if they are not actually poorer.

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          Looks a lot like lack of awareness to me. The price of pretty much everything has at least stabilized or is down from the peak. Individuals are better off today than recently.

          However prices are shockingly high compared to four years ago. Many are worse off than four years ago. The economy is trending much better at the individual level but people can’t get past the four years of buildup to realize that it has turned around

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    Economy? Ah yes, let’s elect the person that wants to put 100% sanctions on literally everything. Masterful gambit sirs. Ya’ll can rot in hell!

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      Also side note, America’s economy is held up by cheap immigrant labor, so way to double dunk.

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    Another thing that’s barely on the chart: Foreign Policy, some fraction of which would be the genocide.

    It just wasn’t the influential issue that much of Lemmy wished it were, and clearly not the reason Harris lost.

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      Foreign policy isn’t important to the workers, doing political work in my local area people will sooner talk about the dog shit sproon around theyre street or litter, the closure of public toilets or the removal of public bins as they all have a noticeable and tangible effect on day to day life. Sadly Gaza isn’t a broad issue to none gazans. I’m not advocating for this behaviour btw, just pointing out what I’ve noticed and spoken about in political circles.

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      Exactly. For all the talk of the Palestine/Israel genocide being a reason people didn’t vote Harris, this poll certainly makes it seem like less of the issue. What the fuck happened? I’m genuinely ashamed to live in the States.

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        What the fuck happened?

        Four years of a milquetoast, centrist Democrat telling the American people what they’re living isn’t the actual reality of the situation. Biden’s admin kept rolling out the “soft landing, economy is doing great,” schtick despite numerous news outlets reporting Americans don’t feel like it’s an economy working for them.

        Then that Democrat finally stepping aside, too late for his constituents to have a say in who they want representing them. And then she ran on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform that didn’t inspire the majority of Americans, who are so apathetic based on decades of being ignored by politicians they just don’t vote. Because what’s the point?

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      Remember that people who considered foreign policy (aka Gaza) to be the most important didn’t vote. People who voted Harris did so because they either thought some other issue was more important or just didn’t care. I think you’ll get better insights from a “why didn’t you vote” survey. That said it’s definitely not the only reason Harris lost; it was her complete and utter failure at campaigning that allowed Trump to go around collecting swing states like they’re fucking MTG cards.

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        People who voted Harris did so because they either thought some other issue was more important or just didn’t care.

        Or realized that Trump would be far worse for the Palestinians than any Democrat has ever been.

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          Worse maybe, but not for worse. That said that’s not really what I’m trying to say; my point is that people whose number one issue was Palestine overwhelmingly didn’t vote. Democrats went to vote despite Biden/Harris’s Israel policy, meaning they considered something else to be more important and so they wouldn’t answer this poll with “foreign policy”.

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    The news says the Republicans are better at [the economy] because they are. How are they better. Because they are better for the economy. Who crashed the economy the last four times it’s happened Republicans. They’re so good at economy!