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I use Windows 11 without an MS account and with Classic Shell. You can hardly tell a difference. I will continue using it. Because I can’t be bothered not to. It also came with my computer (well, W10 did but the upgrade worked painlessly).
Turning an OS to subscription based. World class assholes. The alternative is win11, which is even more shit while they are working hard to fuck that shitshow even more up. Yeah, Linux is the way to go.
Win11 is definitely a lot better than Win10. The improvements around WSL alone are worth the upgrade.
Sure, the new start menu sucks but there are easy workarounds for that.
You’re joking right?!? 😂
You know people are allowed to have opinions
Yeah, I’d like to have discussions with people who have factual based opinions and I don’t mind changing my opponion when they come with properly factual supported arguments. However, opinions based on feelings I do not understand and I do not feel like a discussion is even possible as I cannot argue against a feeling, no matter how factual my arguments are. It’s why I do not argue with religious people. They claim a monopoly in the truth. How unfactual their claim may be, there is no argument which they do not see as a personal attack.
So either someone is joking when saying a pile of shit is actually kinda nice, or they lost all connection to reality.
You’re joking right?!? 😂
No, why would I? I nowhere said that Win11 is the best OS, btw, but from the perspective of a Linux user, Win11’s WSL2 is a massive improvement over WSL 1.0 in Win10.
If you’re looking for a Win10 fanboy, maybe look in a different community, not a Linux one.
Win10 runs faster and more stable then win11. Don’t get me started on all the limitations win11 introduced, next to all the ads and loss of control of settings.
Win10 runs faster and more stable then win11.
Bogus. They are the same in that regard. Stability is mostly dependent on used hardware and drivers these days.
Don’t get me started on all the limitations win11 introduced
Please do get started and how they weigh more than than WSL2.
next to all the ads
Win10 also has ads, MS added more ads through updates. My work desktop PC runs Win10, my work notebook runs Win11. I have the comparison on a daily basis.
and loss of control of settings.
A few minor things around taskbar placement. Even though my personal preference is a vertical taskbar on the left screen edge, it’s less important than WSL2.
Bogus. They are the same in that regard. Stability is mostly dependent on used hardware and drivers these days.
Ah, so all the tests must be wrong then. All the articles must be mistaken.
A few minor things around taskbar placement. Even though my personal preference is a vertical taskbar on the left screen edge, it’s less important than WSL2.
Just that? Then where are the old settings? The old configuration screen? It’s gone now in win11.
Win10 also has ads, MS added more ads through updates. My work desktop PC runs Win10, my work notebook runs Win11. I have the comparison on a daily basis.
I only had ads for win11 and office365 on win10. That’s it. Win11 has loads of ads.
Ah, so all the tests must be wrong then. All the articles must be mistaken.
All? ALL? So finding only one counter example to Win10 running faster tears down your whole argument? You must be very sure of yourself. Let me do 30 seconds of googling… Oh:
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“When we compare Windows 10 to Windows 11, purely on throughput benchmarks, we don’t find much difference. There are a few spots where Windows 11 has a slight advantage in multi-threaded workloads” – https://www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/16
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“The Windows 11-versus-10 differences may be small, indeed mostly within what we would consider margin of error. Indeed, anything under 2% we typically regard as possible run-to-run variance. But let’s take a closer look at the results anyway. The Windows 11 results mostly edge out the Windows 10 numbers, even if not by much.” – https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-11-vs-windows-10-tested-will-the-os-upgrade-speed-up-your-current
Just that? Then where are the old settings? The old configuration screen? It’s gone now in win11.
No idea what you’re talking about. Also: WSL2 is more important.
I only had ads for win11 and office365 on win10. That’s it.
Then you forgot about the all ads for which there are guides on how to disable them. For example https://windowsreport.com/remove-ads-windows-10-creators-update/
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Windows 11 isn’t that bad. Like any other OS, you have to get used to certain things, but overall I don’t understand why people have such an issue with it, other than Microsoft being a shitty company
- It’s slower then 10.
- They recently disabled the old configuration screens, meaning you have only the fancy looking broken settings. Try to remove a Bluetooth device. You can’t. “failed to remove device”. It can’t forget the Bluetooth data. This is one of many flaws. Many settings are gone now.
- it’s impossible to remove Edge now.
- there are ads within the OS.
- they stopped support for several apps, for instance to use the Xbox kinect as a 3D scanner.
- it’s now harder, sometimes impossible, to boot from a USB as win11 has too much control over the bios and makes UEFI sometimes impossible to use. It automatically boots into windows, even when told otherwise, and “repairs” the changes made.
I can continue for hours why win11 sucks donkey balls. Recent news from MS about their plans for win11 are also very troublesome. As well as the paid subscription for win10 for security updates. Like, wtf! I have 3 machines running win10, so I need to pay 90 a year? For real? Just so I won’t have to use the win11 aids.
I mean for one it supports a lot less hardware. Second it’s significantly less reliable. Third it has thing like Co-Pilot built-in. I don’t know how people aren’t criticizing it more frankly.
There’s still win 10 ltsc iot, but I doubt it can be used in a buisness setting.
If I didn’t have to wait for games I’m anticipating before release to work on Linux, I would have happily learned how to use Linux years ago. I pretty much only use my PC as an entertainment system; games, movies/tv, internet use. I like to mod my games and modding on Windows has become so easy that it’s actually feasible to help my PC inept friends get a working load order without committing a weekend. Unless the larger nexus modding community as a majority switch to Linux, I don’t see myself switching for a long time
I regularly buy new games on release on Linux without even checking, play with friends on windows and have yet to be burned
Helldivers was a bit janky to begin with but with some custom launch options it ran fine
It’s still pretty heavily work progress, but I recommend that you at least keep an eye on the Nexus mods app, It’s designed to be compatible with both Windows and Linux, but it’s as of yet only compatible with a few games and doesn’t yet update properly, But that’s one of the things they’re working on sooner rather than later from what I’ve seen.
Most games work day one these days with proton. How is modding more difficult on Linux? I feel like it’s easier, but maybe I’m just used to it.
The way everyone talked about Linux, I thought it would be a transient interest I would eventually tire of. I’ve known a lot of professors who say they liked Linux back in the 90s, but decided they couldn’t keep up with it, and have gone back to windows/apple.
I never anticipated that 4 years ago, when I booted up Linux for the first time, that it would also be the last time I shut down Windows. Furthermore, the likelihood of me ever going back seems to be getting smaller and smaller every day.
Most people don’t even know what a browser is, let alone an os
Yes they do. They know a Mac is different to a PC and they know a phone isn’t the same as a desktop. They just don’t know what that’s called. They still have an intuitive understanding. They still understand that phones do annoying things like denying file system access. They understand that Microsoft products make it harder to save files for no reason. Most people understand the appeal of Linux if you explain it in familiar language. They’ve just been conditioned by society to fear change.
sorry man you are a perfect example of the comic.
cause most people also dont know what denying system file access even means.Drag is using language you can understand easily, because drag is talking to you. To a normal person, drag would say “You know how on your phone, you can’t just look at your files? Like you have a separate app for photos, and documents, and you can’t just look at all your files from one app like you can on PC? Well, you can actually if you use an android. Here’s the app that does it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.nbu.files&hl=en_AU”
Drag even casually named an operating system during that speech, and would have been understood perfectly by most people.
Kids today barely know what a file is. I have to regularly explain folders and file types. When I asked them where they saved a thing, they answer “On the computer” and look at me like I’m crazy for asking that.
yes, because folders are not something thats really worthwhile in a filesystem. they’re a vestige of an earlier time.
Folders, or directories, really, may not be worthwhile, but when you have more than fifteen files, they’re quite convenient.
Userspace concept is my point dont need them in the file system itself
folders are a convenient organization strategy
Indeed they are! Just don’t need them in the filesystem itself
Worked on me, I finally switched (like, REALLY switched) on my primary PC this year after using Linux only for servers and hobby projects for a long time. My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows. I’d have to make it to my mid 80’s just to break even.
Valve gets all the credit. Gaming was the main thing holding me back all this time.
Same here and for me too it was gaming holding me back, though I mostly buy my games via GoG hence use Lutris and it’ve had a pretty low rate of games that won’t work at all (and, curiously, one of them which won’t work in Steam works fine if I use a pirated version with Lutris), though maybe 1/3 require some tweaking to work properly.
It’s also interesting that by gaming in Linux with Lutris I can make it safer and protect my privacy because Lutris let’s me do things like run the game inside a firejail sandbox which I have set up as default for all games including disabling network access for the game.
Still have the Windows partition around just in case, though the only time I booted it in the last several months was to clean up some of the stuff to free one of the disks to make it a dedicated Linux disk.
Yeah I haven’t completely gotten rid of Windows. I have it installed on another SSD but in the last 8 months since I switched, I’ve only needed it for Dyson Sphere Project (needed AutoHotKey), Deadlock (crashes too often in Linux and they ban you for 2 hours every time you leave a game), and whenever I feel like playing C&C Generals which for some reason runs like absolute dogshit on my Linux box despite everything else working fine.
But that Windows SSD has nothing, NOTHING on it but Steam games and Winamp. Microsoft isn’t getting access to a damn thing anymore when it comes to personal data. I’m tired of protecting myself against them, and FFS I’ve been a Microsoft backoffice sysadmin for over 25 years so I know how, but I’m still sick of it! I don’t even surf the web on that install. I play my game and when I’m done I boot back to Tumbleweed!
Gonna have to look into Lutris, I really like the idea of that sandboxing!
For sandboxing in Lutris you’ll want to have a look at the “Command Prefix” option under “Runner options” - whatever you put there prefixes the command that runs the game, which is exactly how sandboxing with things like firejail works (i.e. you start your stuff from the command line with firejail firejail-args your-stuff your-stuff-args so you literally prefix your command with firejail).
It’s possible to configure it game by game and also as a global default for all games which you can then override for only some games (this later is how I run it).
Lutris also integrates with Steam so you can run Steam games from it.
My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows.
I hear that, I’ve been using Windows since '98, and only had Linux on my primary computer for a few weeks. I didn’t think I’ll be going back even though HDR support is spotty.
HDR support is spotty but holy fuck was it bad when I was using windows
Playing my HDR game? Add a few seconds of loading time while my screen turns off and then on. In game it’s fine, but alt-tab, or receive a notification while playing, and the screen has to turn off and on again to display the SDR content, which takes long enough for the notification to be gone anyway. I can’t even tell you how good or bad the HDR is on my screen lmao
7800x3D / 7900XTX / Samsung Neo G9 OLED, so really it’s not an hardware issue
I’ve been using Windows since 3.11. I’ve been supporting it for a career since 1998 (although almost entirely servers not desktops for the last 23 years). I’m tired of Microsoft’s bullshit.
On the other hand, my expertise at resolving their (server) bullshit over the last couple decades sure did pay well. So I guess it wasn’t all bad. But these days they can kiss my ass.
Truly 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop. no notes.
It was actually 2022, the year when steam deck released. The proton compatibility shot through the roof. Linux now supports a far wider array of software than MacOS, even.
Proton is amazing. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run great in Linux Mint.
It’ll probably be 2025, when adoption hits 5% a few months before Windows 10 support ends. The 5% will make people take Linux more seriously when looking for alternatives to Windows 10, which will increase adoption even more, which will cause hardware and software providers to offer better Linux support, which will just cause the whole thing to snowball.
The “year of the Linux desktop” was ages ago when Intel started developing drivers upstream in Linux, Mesa, and Xorg. This lead do AMD and others doing the same. None of the current developments, including Steam Deck, would have happened without that.
Well, this was probably also anticipated with win 8 and 10, but it (sadly) didn’t happen.
Copium.
Steamdeck made many times more Linux users than Windows ever did.
Copium
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WSL is the best thing that’s ever happened to windows
it’s interesting they call it windows subsystem for linux
- oh, so it’s a subsystem for Linux?
- no, it’s a windows subsystem
- …for Linux?
- kind of, I guess
Yeah Windows subsystems to operate Linux
WSL is the best thing that’s ever happened to windows
WSL is great but the NT kernel was/is more important, then userspace GPU drivers (which Linux still lacks), then WSL.
People now in their 20s don’t realize how utterly bad Win9x and then the first consumer grade NT-based WinXP were (and those older may have forgotten). Win7, 10, and 11 are paradise by comparison. These days I can cope with Windows. I don’t love it but it’s not a daily cause of anger like the Windows dark ages. Heck, winget even makes software installation bearable.
Winget-ui (renamed to something annoying I choose not to remember) is pretty great. Does Winget, Choco, pip, and some others. Better package manager ui by far than the laggy garbage on a lot of Linux distros, even if you do have to deal with annoying UAC nonsense on the regular.
Except for virtualization
I found WSL kinda useless when it first came out, you didn’t have any low level access and they explicitly refused ssh connections unless you paid for windows professional and interacting with files on windows was either impossible or just very buggy I’m still not quite sure which, I think the problem was that they used the wrong slash in the file system and most programs that interacted with it didn’t understand that, not to mention networking was a chore.
Windows 10 was actually ok when you got past some of the awful stuff. Nowhere as good as 7, but it did the job for me for years.
Windows 11 got announced though and I immediately switched to Linux lol.
I spent today trying to install a USB WiFi dongle in Debian. On Windows it took about 5 seconds, I still haven’t got it working on Debian.
i have been lucky with all my computers and peripherals, everything worked out of the box. but there’s a weird issue in our household, none of the windows machines can connect or stay connected to our wifi but all phones and linux machines have no issues…
What brand? In my experience Linux is very persnickety about USB Wifi/Bluetooth adapters.
When I was buying mine a couple years back I had several failures before finding some kind of master list of supported devices.
I dont have the list anymore, but everything I bought was TP-Link cause TP-Link appeared very frequently in the list from what i recall.
It’s an Archer T3U, which uses a Realtek chipset. I was living in Africa at the time I bought it and you don’t get much choice when it comes to electronics. I heard of a guy who had to travel to Spain to get a USB mouse. Anyway, the problem is that I’m actually trying to install it on a Beaglebone Black which is stuck on the 5.10 LTS kernel. The chipset is actually supported in the latest kernel, but the BB version hasn’t been released yet.
I only buy accessories that will work without having to manually install anything. The whole concept of end users installing drivers can go to hell.
Is it one of those ASUS or similar ones? There is a wifi dongle that has drivers for linux, and says on the box linux support, but actually both the kernel and the provided drivers for the chipset are broken, you need to clone the github of the CHIP manufacturer, and compile it. After that, it works.
Dad didnt allow me to use Windows cause of “viruses”. So grew up using Mandriva Linux.Transitioned to Ubuntu when mandriva got discontinued. Currently using Arch BTW.Funny how he had the knowhow to install Linux AND was worried about viruses (XP era though).
Based dad
100% :)
I find myself actually considering paying 30$ a year for prolonged windows 10 support because I find the switch to linux really overwhelming. Like being sent grocery shopping, but all lables are in traditional chinese. Some things you can figure out very easily, but troubleshooting anything takes me days.
If you send me a message on matrix or a dm here I can help you with that unlimited no strings attached, I have over 10 years of experience and am very free!
That’s very nice of you!
Nah, I have ulterior motives, the more people on linux, the more support linux gets, the easier it is to move people to linux, the more support it gets…
And I can’t stand using windows.
You could try OpenSUSE, it has Yast2 GTK GUI control panel for everything, no command line needed. Assuming CLI is what you find troublesome.
And GUI package manager
I don’t even know what to call this absurd reality you’ve invented.
Lemmy user hallucination.
Quite the drug.
I expected the punchline to be “for me to poop on”.
