Unfortunately it’s not the people here that need to read this
In this community? It’s useful for talking points
Lemmy in general? There’s a lot of people on Lemmy who need to read this.
Yeah, wow. Post got me using the bookmark function.
It might help someone explain it later though, it’s a good parallel
You’d be surprised how widespread misunderstanding of systemic racism is, even on the left.
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Naturally the account has been suspended lol.
Reddit moment
If you think that the problems (inequalities) racism brought ceased to exist with segregation, try learning about red-lining and how countless black neighborhoods got unfairly bulldozed to make space for highways. All that stuff happened only a lifetime ago, of course its effects can still be felt today.
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You could also use the same reasoning to argue that colonialism hasn’t really ended either, when the colonialists went home they still left behind the scars of centuries of exploitation, that shit doesn’t get washed away in a day.
Wells Fargo to pay $175 million in race discrimination probe - Reuters (2012) And let’s not forget stuff like this happened just within the last 15 years.
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colonialism is also still enforced today - IMF loans that force austerity policies on receiving nations, coups that topple popular governments and replace them with dictatorships that are friendly to western interests, the fomenting of civil wars and conflicts that frequently genocide entire populations, the sale of arms and training to far-right militias. neocolonialism doesn’t involve direct rule but it’s merely the form that’s changed, not the character or the consequences.
… did you just straight-up post a reddit comment?
Aaand? People have always sent screenshots of posts from other social media on social media. Nothing new.
Yes, lol.
But in my defense, I’ve had this saved on my phone for over a year, and I probably got it from /r/196 to begin with :p
I’ve been told that if you add the text “Made with Memetic” at the bottom, it counteracts the Snoo-pidity.
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yeah, at the very least have a decency to crop the r***t UI.
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My mother worked for a real estate firm in the late 90s in bay ridge, Brooklyn where she was told to tell anyone calling in who sounded black or had a “black sounding name” that nothing was available or to quote ridiculous prices.
This shit ain’t gone away at all.
Damn this is an excellent example. I’m 100% going to use this image in the future, thanks!
Also, it’s easier to completely demolish the building. Accommodations can be made much easier, but no one does it because it’s too much work, the disabled people of the metaphor are figuring out ways around it.
Also the anti-disabled people knickknacks are still displayed EVERYWHERE
I live in hungary and when i went to san francisco one of the things i noticed that every shop, bus, street, etc was built in a way that it would be easy to use by disabled people. So regulations can help and people should support politicians eho actually want to change things(even when it turns out to be a little stupid like the cancer warnings on basically everything). Also californians are so warm and welcoming compared to hungarians.
to continue this incredibly labored metaphor, yeah things are kinda nice for everyone when there are accommodations for disabled, or mobility compromised people. There’s a term for when accommodations for one group, like sidewalk curb cut-outs, actually have a multiplicative benefit for everyone, even outside of the principle group. Curb cut-outs on sidewalks make it easier for wheelchair users, and the blind, but also they benefit strollers, old people, and delivery people getting up the curb.
so making the house nice for disable people actually makes it nice for everyone.
to drop the metaphor, yeah getting rid of systemic racism is actually nice for everyone
And these ADA accommodations were hard-fought for by disability activists, many of them disabled themselves because nobody else cared! The same thing is happening with any kind of prejudice or injustice against any marginalized group. We need to stop with the “fuck you, I got mine” mentality if we hope to advance as a compassionate species. But the older I get, the more I feel the tribalism is too hard-coded into humans and is too easily exploited by greedy/fascist interests. Solidarity is the only way…if we could just get over ourselves for one second.
Not to mention that the hotel does what it can to keep existing through anti disabled propaganda and incentives for the workers to be anti disabled
“That’s just the culture around here”
But on top of that, the previous owner raised the new one. On top of the hotel issue we now have the same issues, but with the new owner
The analogy is a little shaky but yeah that’s a pretty good intro. The hard issue to solve here is with how this injustice is resolved. I think the most reasonable solution attacks the problem directly: rewriting racist laws (like zoning) and punishing or heavily disincentivising racist behavior in government officials (including police and judges). In the analogy, this would be equivalent to enacting hotel policies against discrimination and retrofitting disabled-accessible options into the building.
That still isn’t directly Attacking the problem, you remove racist laws however you still have a system in place to add oppressive laws so they will come back. The problem isn’t the laws or the government officials it’s the whole damn system and unless you change the system it will continue to oppress. The hotel is designed to be discriminatory and to slowly go back to being discriminatory (as you said shaky anlogy) if changes are to be made. The only real solution is tearing the whole hotel down and building a park there
I appreciate your response but I’m lost. What exactly is the system if it’s not the government, the laws, and their lasting effects? Are we just talking about society?
Well the system I am talking in the broadest sense is hierarchy.
For someone or something to have the ability to oppress they must have more power over others and they must take that power away from those others ( you can’t really oppress the U.S government bc it holds more power than you). Government holds more power bc it has taken that power away from me and you (think of all the regulations and restrictions put on us or laws), and they keep that power through force (i.e the police) This whole system of oppression enables even more direct violence, if the government had no power over people it couldn’t systematically oppress black people or other minority groups.
And the thing is this power imbalance has and will always lead to certain groups being oppressed bc that is how it functions.
Now how do you actually build a system without violence and hierarchy well then you can learn about anarchism and it’s proposed ways of living. Anark and Andrewism have good Intro videos about all of this.
if there is no hierarchy at all and no one has more power than anyone else how do you have a government? If the government had no power over people it couldn’t exist. Why would anyone care what they say?
Exactly there would be no government
What view are they trying to counter here? I understand all the words of the post and I agree with the logic but I don’t see in what situation this argument is useful. Perhaps I’m lucky not to have been exposed to the people for whom it would be useful…
Edit: I saw some very clear answers to my questions after scrolling down a bit. I think I just didn’t understand what the term “systemic” meant here.
There are people who believe that any kind of fix to counter discrimination is unnecessary, because “well I’m not racist, and I certainly haven’t discriminated in X way, so nothing needs to change”. They are either unaware or ignoring the reality that the effects of past discrimination don’t go away just because the people that did it are gone.
Thank you. I never thought of it that way even though I’m quite passionate about the topic. Passionate but not well informed it seems…
“wow you are trying to punish x people for wrongdoings of their parents/grandparents” is the argument it’s trying to counter.
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Yeah that’s why we need to fight harder
Yeah,all you have to do is change hearts and minds. Problem solved.
Oh that’s neat!
I thought this was fuckcars for a second and it would end differently , but very similarly!! Car centrism is another form of discrimination.
Yes! I’m very glad to live in a place where at 32 I still don’t need a driver’s license. I can see how crippling and isolating it can be to need a car (e.g. North America), but not being able to drive it.
I’m very much a car guy. I love cars, I love driving them, I love fixing them, etc.
I wholeheartedly wish they were purely optional. Please put less people on the roads, let more people use cheaper public transportation, and let those distracted drivers stay out of heavy machinery!
Not to mention, sometimes walking is just preferred. I visited Chicago without a car and it was fantastic. Walking and trains were all I needed, and it was great. Definitely want more of that around, especially for cross country options.
“This is the way it’s normally/always been done” is an extension of that shit, usually done to excuse things that should not be excused and can and should change.
I loathe the “appeal to tradition”. It is an argument in favor of stagnation rather than progress.
