KEY TAKEAWAYS
- Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
- The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
- Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
…and let me guess. Critizing Israel’s actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?
Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest “PKK members” (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn’t like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.
https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf
It’s really an unfortunate development, since the terms “terrorist organization” and “support to terrorism” is so poorly defined, and it’s clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.
It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.
So luckily, I don’t think it’s possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.
Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel “has a right to defend itself”, but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.
Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.
Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.
Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won’t move him.
Mandela died in 2013
Sinwar died in 2024
Bowie died in 2016
It doesn’t matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?
And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.
And it’s kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.
Not really, if you just gather all the people you commit atrocities against, and send them to the middle east, you might get away with it. Hell you might even claim to be a bastion of peace and freedom.
Some more ideas:
Call the people you sent “civilized” against “barbarians”
Call them “the only democracy” in the middle east (you might need to overthrow some government in the nearby regions)
Commit more atrocities so more and more people go to your “solution”.
That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.
But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.
Find a third country is also possible, but can be difficult for terrorist supporters.
It can be difficult period. Why should any country take immigrants your country doesn’t want for any reason?
And “terrorist supporter” could be a very broad category. Are you a terrorist supporter if you support resistance against Israeli troops in Gaza? Because Israel and some of its allies would say yes.
The law proposal doesn’t affect citizens (according to the government). So it’s a law specifically meant to be unequal.
Citizen? Cheer for terrorists all you want! It’s your right!
Non-citizen? Deportion.
This sounds very unconstitutional? It does say “everyone” so the principle of equality under the law should apply. Right???
EDIT, aw fuck:
Non-Swedish citizens and non-Swedish legal persons Art. 3. For those who are not Swedish citizens or Swedish legal persons, special restrictions may be laid down in law in respect of freedom of expression under this Fundamental Law.
Well that sounds horrible. Sweden, do better.
Absolutely not. Countries should not accept people who are incompatible with their culture. That just causes division.
That assumes a country has a single culture.
No it doesn’t. It assumes that countries have synergistic cultures.
I don’t know what that means. European countries have multiple cultures in them.
That said, your catchphrase is typically used to imply that Islam is incompatible with Europe. But there exist several countries in geographical Europe with Islam as an established religion. Greece has an official Muslim minority. Bosnia, Albania can be classified as plurality-muslim countries. European Turkey, west of the Bosphorus has more people than many European countries. And there are sizeable non-immigrant Muslim communities all over eastern and southeastern Europe. Islam has been part of the European story for a millennium. So I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Islam is as European as apple pie is American.
My “catchphrase” is something I personally said, not someone else’s rhetoric. I would ask that you do not make assumptions about what I am saying based on what other people say. If the people who are Islam have a culture that is compatible with that country, let them in. If they are of a culture that practices or supports sharia law and your country believes in women’s freedoms, they probably should not be accepted.
Nationalist rhetoric detected.
I’m not saying one culture is better than another. I’m saying if the cultures are incompatible, you shouldn’t force them together.
In other words, if you are a household that is obsessed with a particular football team, you probably shouldn’t get a roommate that is obsessed with your team’s rivals. Any time football is brought up, you will be at odds. I’m not saying liking one football team over the other is the correct choice, just that incompatible beliefs breeds hostility.
“Your culture is incompatible with our culture and therefore you shouldn’t live here” is exactly the same rhetoric neonazi politicians use where I’m from, so sorry but your comment has a beeping red light on it for me.
If a neo Nazi said “the sky is blue”, would you say everyone who says the sky is blue is repeating neo Nazi rhetoric?
This would mean that a country that has changing governments would be a hostile and incompatible society? A country shouldn’t host different political views if you follow that logic.
Ideally different parties should have more in common than what separates them. Otherwise you get what has been happening between Republicans and Democrats in the USA. Willingly introducing that separation is foolishness.
This law was passed due to Turkey wanting to get rid of pkk supporters in Sweden. They basically said we’re are going to keep blocking you from joining NATO unless you take care of the kurds in your country.
Most countries aren’t nationalist homogenous etnostates and human society is a result of mixing cultures.
Where would Swedish government deport native Swedish citizens to? Ohio?
Depends on your heritage I guess. 🤷 It comes up in the news now and then where children get deported to a country they have never been to, have no connection to and doesn’t speak the language.
You go too far!
They also want to deport for “bristande vandel”, “bad behavior/way of living”, which this probably will fall under. In their examples of what constitutes “bristande vandel” one is: being a victim of a crime. Robbed? Deportation. Raped? Deportation.
I mean if I’m at home I can fart anytime I want and put my feet on the table, if I’m a guest I would not do such things, that’s not inequality.
Well, what if you are homeless, someone offers to take you to live with them, and then they kick you out for farting?
If I’m homeless and someone offers to take me, for fucking sure I’m going to be on my best behaviour.
Still, letting you freeze to death for farting would be wrong, even if it was impolite.
That’s a terrible comparison
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Yeah, this suuuurely won’t be used to silence pro-Palestine protestors.
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Support for Palestine is not support for a terrorist organization. But a law such as this could be used on a pro-Palestinian organizer on the false claim that support for Palestine is support for hamas.
Also, deported where exactly?
Because what we’ve found is governments are so good at determining who is right in a particular conflict.
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Especially if they immigrated from a western democracy. They need to go back to their hive of evil and treachery. Pesky democracy havers.
The issue here is citizens are still allowed to support terrorist organisations since it’s part of free opininon and free speech. So it’s a discriminatory law, which is against the principle of rule of law and equality before the law.
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What are you on about
Yes.
I was about to say you are braindead, but it seems you are just American, I am really sorry.
So we should deport Israelis because Israel backed Hamas’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results?
Don’t pretend your hatred is principled.
Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?
And yet Israel supporters will be fine.
The same minister probably:
That party who are against me, I’d call them terrorists!
Yes, anyone who supports Israel should be deported to The Hague.
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Hamas are Palestinians, hizbollah are Lebanese. Hosting arms in Syria is just like the USA having bases all over the world. Resistance groups in history committed many atrocities against civilians due to the lack of justice. The occupying power will always be responsible for everything happening to them. Don’t colonize people and expect the oppressed to be nice to you
Wow, you really must be an actual idiot. I’m honestly kind of impressed.
No, it does not mean you’re an antisemite.
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