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        He would only escape if he was a presidential candidate or a multi billionaire.

        Since he is neither and he works on US soil, then the law came after him. You would cave in, if in similar circumstances.

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        I already explained my point about it. A lot of companies rebased themselves when political issues occured. The Linux Foundation could easily do that. It’s just racism.

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          Sanctions against a country/nation that is attacking another sovereign nation are not “racist”. Russia could easily stop their war to start getting rid of the sanctions.

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            It depends, though. There are western and other countries invading and much worse, but there are no sanctions. It could be racism, interests or both that only a certain country is targeted with sanctions.

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              There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?

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                Yes, there should be sanctions against any country doing that and worse. But there aren’t. Why not? I see a lot of downvotes and no explanations. As per Europe, aren’t we talking mostly about US, since Linux is trying to follow their sanctions? Also even Europe is divided about who the enemy is, like pesky Hungary.

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                    Don’t want to diverge the thread in nitpicking, but it’s not just one country and some countries play both sides.

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              Then other countries should make sanctions on the US where it masters to them to do so.

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              So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.

              Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.

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                Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.

                Savage truth.

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                So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where?

                Somewhere stable and neutral like Switzerland or some island. I’m not a lawyer so can’t say which country is the best for it.

                Because not relocating is “racist”?

                To some extent, yes.

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                  Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.

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          Counter argument: The maintainers could “easily” relocate to a country that is not currently conducting an invasion to enlarge its territory.

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            Do they? They could have just isolated those commits as sanctioned and added a warning. Linux hates Russians as a Finn, so didn’t need much convincing to remove them.

            I would be singing a different tune if our allies invading other countries at the moment were also sanctioned, but that’s not the case.

            As it stands, let the individuals escape the nation state punishment. They didn’t start this war, and likely don’t support it.

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              Rationally speaking, the whole purpose of sanctions is to sanction the whole population of the country in order to get the government of the country to change it’s policies. And when it comes to sanctions, companies and entities doing business with the sanctioned countries are themselves sanctioned. So Linus had no choice but to remove the Russian contributors.

              We’re talking about a real situation, not about what would be better.

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          “A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.

          I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.

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          They are bound by USA sanction law, moving to another NATO country would be same sanctions against Russia

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              So your advice is basically “come on, guys, you can resist russian aggression in ways that don’t involve conflict, stop the sanctions and side with Russia pls”?

              No. As the instigator of this conflict, Russia can back the fuck down.

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                At this point I’m sure you’re just trolling. I fully support sanctions against Russia but not against Russian people unless they were officially proven to actively support the war, especially if their actions don’t result in income to Russian Federation in taxes. I think I made it clear.

                Also Linus supports US’s terroristic acts and invasions by paying taxes to the country so it’s not necessarily any better.

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                  Sovereignty is the deeper moral right. It is any sovereign individual or group’s right to accept or reject an authority they choose to, and they must deal with the consequences of that (often implicit) choice.

                  A sovereign entity who is by choice or otherwise subject to a malign power will become a channel for that malign power, regardless of whether or not they intend to. And even when there is no malign intent, there can be fundamental disagreements between sovereign states.

                  It is very possible the individuals don’t support Russia. But aside from aiding and supporting defection, there’s not much we can do until Russia demonstrates a will to relinquish a hold on Ukraine, who has clearly demonstrated their sovereignty.

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                    This is an opinion but a very questionable one. However it’s impossible for those who support it to understand it because of their severe mental issues. That’s where physical elimination should come into play imo.

                    Also since both of our opinions include aggressive attitude towards certain groups, you may not argue with that aspect.

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          …it’s not. It is stupid, it stalls mainlining of Baikal, but it is not a racism.

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      You think open source project maintainers should move to different countries because of temporary sanctions? What if they have a wife with a job and kids in school? Or delicate Lego collections that are impossible to pack? Or a side-piece?

      Take issue with the sanctions if you want but don’t take issue with people who don’t want to move their family, LEGO collections, and side-pieces.

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        There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?

        This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.

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        Move physically? Of course not. If it’s required to register the foundation, they could ask a maintainer from the country to register it. It’s not the cleanest of schemes but it should work. Though if Linus lives in the US now, it can still cause issues because US law system has been proven to not work and they could easily arrest him illegally if they wanted to. However in this case it’s the same as living in Russia. Both countries are terroristic.

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          You can disagree with the law if you want, but breaking the law (sanctions) and being arrested is a legal arrest.

          I have tons of issues with the US legal system, but I don’t pretend like everything I agree with is legal and everything I disagree with is illegal. That would be moronic.

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      This has to be a record for the most downvoted comment on Lemmy, holy moly. This is a huge absolute margin even for reddit.