However, three ballots were counted before election officials could pull them from the process because they passed through the signature verification process. Those votes cannot be remedied or removed.
What? So the person whose ballot was stolen now has their vote cast for trump (let’s be real there is a 99.99% chance it was a trumper who did this even they are being coy about it) and there is nothing they can do about it? WTF?
Further down it states:
All of the voters affected by the Mesa County fraud will be offered a new ballot.
So does that mean those voters are counted twice? One fraud and one real, or…?
They will likely revamp the process. The problem is, once the ballot is counted, the vote is separated from the voter, so there’s no link to who the person was and who they voted for.
It’s a process meant for privacy. That someone was able to accurately forge signatures enough to pass verification (which is handled by trained humans) is a bit on the “this was creepy/planned” side, which is likely how the outlier event happened.
America isn’t there yet, but cryptographic hashes anonymizing but connecting a vote to a voter, so the vote could be anonymously recalled for an attack like this would likely be the best privacy-preserving process.
99% of Congress is too old to understand a word you just said… Someday it’ll all be zoomers, and then maybe tech will start to help us
They go out of their way in the article to not cast any partisan aspirations on the scheme. But it is the same county where Tina Peters used to be the county clerk, and is now in jail after being convicted of election shenanigans for Trump. And it looks like it had the complicity of at least one judge.
Watch this one, folks. The details sadly won’t come out until after the election, but when they do I think we will find that Republican talk about election fraud is also projection, like all their other complaints.
It’s so fucking disgusting. The Republicans have 252527171 ways to try to win this, and we have 1.
Kamala needs to be perfect and Trump could walk on stage with nothing but a shit filled diaper, do the Hitler salute and somehow gain in the poles… It’s infuriating.
Harris and Trump have very different bases.
If Trump went to New York and shot a black person, his base wouldn’t care whereas if Harris did, the Democrats would be in an uproar.
However, if Trump went to New York and gave people COVID shots, now his base would be fucking furious.
Both candidates are appealing to their base. It’s just the Democratic base is a bunch of sane and rational people.
I understand the bases. I don’t understand all the people who won’t vote at all.
IDK about projection, but if you convince people that a system is corrupt, they’re much more likely to cheat.
A little of column A; a little of column B.
republicans would NEVER
You’re probably right but I don’t really get it. Mesa County is so red that Trump won by 28 points in 2020. What was this person trying to achieve? For that matter, what was Tina Peters was trying to achieve? I just don’t understand how either of them could have made a difference when, in 2020, Trump won by over 25K votes out of a total of 91K votes cast and 107K registered voters.
the county totals don’t matter for president, it is counted statewide.
And the statewide margin was still a 14 point margin. Too much to overcome with 12 stolen ballots.
Perhaps they wanted it to be caught, where it wouldn’t make a difference if it wasn’t, in order to shore up their future claims that more of the same occurred in more competitive districts. As well as undermining faith in the election as a whole.
That’s actually a very insightful theory.
But if I had to bet on it, I’d still put my money on outright stupidity.
There are more things to vote on than just the President. State representation is important.
You’re right, it is. In 2020 not a single race in Mesa County was competitive. Likewise, none of the state-wide races were competitive enough to have their results changed even if everyone in Mesa County voted the same way.
It is always projection. There have been previous Republican voters fraud cases in the last election(s).
At least it’s an easy alert for what problems to look for. If they’re declaring “the other guys” are doing something, they’re already doing it themselves.
“We don’t know the motive,” she said.
Really? You don’t know the motive? I’d give anyone on the internet three guesses, and the first two don’t count.
I guess we’ll never know.
They were trying to, uh… outspit god for scrump. No wait, that’s not it, uh… emit cod for gump? That doesn’t sound right either… OH, I think I get it: they were trying to commit fraud for Trump.
I would bet the house on the motive and who they voted for.
I mean, it’s true that they don’t actually know the motive.
You can make a strong educated guess, and you’d probably be right, but until there is a full investigation leading to a conviction, they can’t say that for sure.
The motive was trying to change the outcome of the election. There are zero other possible motives.
“We don’t know the motive,” she said.
are you fucking serious?
Griswold said she also couldn’t discuss the “political implications” of the case, meaning whether the person or people behind the scheme had a political motivation and what candidates they voted for on the stolen ballots.
“We don’t know the motive,” she said.
Hmm, can we place bets on which party the fraudulent votes supported? And maybe taking a look at that would give a clue to the motive?
If they were a Democrat, we would “know the motive.”
