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People either don’t seem to understand, or are pretending not to understand for political purposes, that Harris has a very thin line to toe until the election. If she says anything strongly in either way regarding Israel/Palestine, she will lose.
Anyone telling you that she is worse than Trump on the issue is a goddamn liar
She might just lose for not saying anything strongly anyway.
Yeah, but then centrists will get the right wing policies they want and get to blame the left for it.
Everyone is a genocide-loving centrist despite reaching the same conclusion as you and voting as you claim to this election.
No, just the ones who expect perfect worshipful silence when those we’re expected to vote for keep selling weapons for genocide.
The ones who sling accusations of being a trumper/russian/bot as soon as anyone says that Netanyahu is less than god incarnate and that the US should not be selling weapons for genocide just to prop up the political career of a genocidal fascist.
Right, only you are allowed to sling accusations. And if anyone calls you a MAGA it is because they are genocidal. They should have known from the context of you writing the exact same thing as the people who “couldn’t possibly vote for anyone but Jill Stein” that you are both against the genocide and know that Donald will be worse.
They should have known from the context of you writing the exact same thing as the people who “couldn’t possibly vote for anyone but Jill Stein” that you are both against the genocide and know that Donald will be worse.
Maybe you shouldn’t assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a trumper. But then again, why would you do that? It might mean treating people who think genocide is wrong with some respect, and you have no respect for anyone but Netanyahu.
Case in point. It’s not “everyone who disagrees with me,” it is specifically disingenuous trolls. You see it as everyone because there is little difference between a troll and yourself.
You write some of the exact same shit as the LARPing Trumpers. Everyone is genocidal unless they agree with absolutely everything you say and do. In fact the only difference between you and them is when you get questioned why Donald is preferable. Then it is “oh, I am voting for Harris, though.”
It makes more sense to assume you are indeed a MAGA trying to depress turnout and only lying about your vote to avoid criticism. Truly disgusting how you live a life of deceit. Utterly despicable that you choose to use this to support Repubs expansion of conflict and genocide.
And get to fund raise off it
She might… That would suck.
Trump supporters always underreport in polls. She’s not holding her own in the swing states. Harris is going to lose and usher in fascism and the end of the republic, all so she can take some sweet, sweet far-right-wing foreign government bribes.
If centrists don’t like that they don’t get 100% of everything they want, in this case unconditional support for genocide, they can vote blue no matter who.
I’m not sure you even understood my comment. And yet at least 10 other people read this and were like “yup, that sounds right.”
Suspect.
People generally have really poor reading comprehension. I’ve been surprised by how bad it is here on lemmy. I’ve had folks argue against things not even remotely close to what was said, and then other morons will come along to dogpile.
people are scanning, it happens, done it myself. the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they’re attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will somehow get them to vote harris. shrug
if harris loses she loses and thats on her. she wants to play the law and order candidate while simultaneously not committing to upholding the laws we have on the books and enabling a genocide well thats on her.
Can’t help that shes committing the same errors of judgement that biden did and we didn’t support him either after he started breaking strikes and enabling genocide.
the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they’re attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will someone get them to vote harris. shrug
The people you describe attack Harris voters too. They attack anyone with misgivings about genocide support.
They’re a troll. Somehow everyone who disagrees with them even slightly is a centrist who wants the war to happen.
Somehow anyone who disagrees with the genocide even slightly must be a trumper in all cases.
Lol there’s that hyperbole
If it’s not the case, maybe centrists can come up with a new thing to say to people who disagree with genocide.
If you’re not voting Harris, you’re a Trump supporter, yes. Regardless of how you feel about it, that is literally just how our voting system works. We all need to push for a system where third parties matter, but until that actually happens, please live in reality.
If you’re not voting Harris, you’re a Trump supporter, yes.
And I am voting Harris. No reason for any of you to start paying attention to this now, though. You have your single talking point and you’re going to repeat it regardless of the actual positions of the person you’re talking to.
I’m not sure you even understood my comment.
No, I did. You were saying that her hands are tied because the pro-genocide centrist wing of the party is so fickle that they will stay home or vote Trump if Harris starts disagreeing with you about genocide.
So, if centrists don’t like that they don’t get 100% of everything they want, in this case unconditional support for genocide, they can vote blue no matter who.
Now make up some more conspiracy bullshit about me running a botnet of sockpuppets or whatever it is you do when you can’t accept that more than one person is opposed to genocide.
the pro-genocide centrist wing of the party
Yeah that’s where I’m gonna stop reading.
Have a nice week.
You certainly remain unburdened by an overabundance of reading, yes.
Now make up some more conspiracy bullshit about me running a botnet of sockpuppets or whatever it is you do when you can’t accept that more than one person is opposed to genocide.
Holy victim complex, batman
I mean, it’s what he was saying in the comment I replied to.
Harris started her political career by condemning Obama for not perfectly obeying Israel. She votes for Israel every time. She even tells a story how she planted trees for Israel as a child.
The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.
The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.
I’m curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?
No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel’s genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.
They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.
I’m curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?
She’s a candidate talking about what she’ll do in her term. Stop playing dumb.
She votes for Israel every time.
[citation needed]
Here is a good compilation
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/can-kamala-harris-wipe-the-blood
“Soon after being elected to the Senate in 2016, Harris earned a reputation as an ardent defender of Israel. She spoke two years in a row at AIPAC conferences and co-sponsored legislation aimed at undermining a United Nations resolution condemning Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. One of her first international trips as a senator was to Israel where she met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2017. “I support the United States’ commitment to provide Israel with $38 billion in military assistance over the next decade,” Harris told an AIPAC conference that year. “I believe the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us. … As long as I’m a United States senator, I will do everything in my power to ensure broad and bipartisan support for Israel’s security and right to self-defense.” Harris has compared building support for Israel to the coalitions forged during the U.S. civil rights movement”
I dont think you understand much either, if she doesnt make a stand she will lose
edit: I scanned over the she modifier sorry. yes that would be true. but shes no better either.
— remains relevant to others in the thread.
She may lose either way; and you’re an idiot if you think people who are disgusted by us supplying weapons to the genocidal regime in israel are worse than trump.
- if you’re in a swing state vote harris
- if you’re in a democratic bastion feel free to vote third party, dont worry the majority of the liberal lemmings will vote for harris.
- let your reps know you don’t support arming israel while they’re actively committing a genocide and refusing to commit to a cease fire which is against our laws and harris if she wants to claim is in favor of upholding the law needs to back.
I’d rather put boots on the ground to defend israel than let them continue a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
I’d add 2a: Even if you don’t vote for president be sure to vote down-ballot. You can just leave the president section blank. But don’t be tempted to write in someone because that may invalidate your entire ballot.
Writing in a name won’t invalidate a ballot, at least not in any state i’m aware of, what lead you to say that? genuinely curious.
In some states a write in has to be registered as a candidate for the write in to work.
At least that’s how it worked when I lived in MD.
lol wow thats nonsense. (that such a rule exists) =)
Exactly this.
People are upset because of the fine line she has to walk, but I have always figured that once she wins the election she’d do the right thing, and this event makes me believe I’m right to have faith.
"Many, including myself, always suspected that she held this warped, antisemitic view of Israel’s self-defense against Hamas barbarism. But the cat is now out of the bag,” he said to the US outlet on Saturday.
“Her view is as ignorant as it is malign. … To give credence publicly to this disgusting blood libel disqualifies Harris from holding any public office, let alone the presidency,” he added." (He then did a little happy jig and said to himself “we got 'er! Antisemitic married to a Jew, people are too dumb to realize I’m a lying sack of shit!”)
Heeeeereeee we go with this bullshit…
“To give credence publicly to this disgusting blood libel disqualifies Harris from holding any public office, let alone the presidency”
Is it? 🤔
Does that mean people under criminal charges should be disqualified as well, right?
I guess that only leaves that other anti semite, Dr Jill Stein.
This would be hilarious of it wasn’t so sad.
Harris lifts up the voice of the anti-Zionists by having them escorted away by security
I mean tbf even if we agree with his opinion he’s heckling. Getting escorted by security seems like a natural consequence of that.
No! When it’s someone we agree with, they should let them continue to heckle for as long as they’d like before continuing the event.
see she could also have said: I’ll happily address your concerns at the end, please feel free to stay until then. and then done so. instead they’re escorted away and she never mentions the issue again. shes trying to ignore the issue and its going to cost her, maybe it costs her the election, maybe it doesn’t we wont know until the votes are in. sadly it cost her my vote, but im not in a swing state.
Seems a bit of a stretch that that was her intention.
We all know she would never actually do that.
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We’re are not backing trump either. you just have to live without our support. if you have enough votes great. meanwhile many of these people may vote third party and vote for dems down ticket; as I did. which is still a win overall for dems, just means harris might have less votes. which if they’re in a state like i am that is 20+ lean dem a non-issue for harris.
while we like bernie he doesnt control our votes. harris can re-earn our votes if she wins and about faces on the issue. if she doesnt win, well thats on her for her decisions on a number of issues that would have personally caused my vote to be cast for her. none of which she was willing to give.
Just say it
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