I wonder what “Irish American Zionist” Joe Biden thinks of this?

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    Oh no. Who could have predicted this, other than literally everybody.

    Israel is out of control (and has been for a long while) and must be stopped.

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    Israel doesn’t have much love for the Irish given they are pretty sympathetic and outspoken about the Palestinian plight for obvious reasons. What a fucking mess

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      The colonizing people of the world see themselves in Israel.

      The colonized people of the world see themselves in Palestine.

      I dont know who said it first, but it rings true every day.

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      Actually it goes back farther.

      The IRA was trained, in part, by the PLO.

      The early anti-guerilla operations by the British in Palestine, before Israel was a state but when Palestine was fighting Zionists (literally what they called themselves, with a stated goal of just taking over Palestine and getting rid of the native population which includes Palestinian Jews), were just “well the Crown says we can’t do this in Ireland but they’re not looking here in Palestine.”

      This includes literally tying Palestinian captives to grilles or loading them onto forward-mounted trailers in a convoy to act as human shields. This includes retributive strikes against guerilla’s families and friends.

      Ireland has a HELL of a good reason to be close to Palestine, because it literally actually happened to them.

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    Mr Martin, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Defence, told the Dáil that “Israel is not listening to its allies in terms of progressing its agenda” and “seems to be [at] all out war”. He said the IDF’s actions were “unacceptable” with “destructive warfare” leading to community, health and education services being “destroyed”. He said Israel’s actions were “a clear breach of international humanitarian law”.

    isreal fucking around a WHOLE LOT these days, pretty soon they’re gonna find out.

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        Except the other option is worse. And you are complicit in whoever wins if you don’t vote at all.

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            Yes, you can. It’s just a trolley problem, and you’re choosing to not flip the switch. It’s still your choice and has consequences.

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              So if someone gives you a gun and tells you to shoot 10 people in the head or they will kill 20 people, you are saying that it’s a moral obligation to shoot the 10 people in the head?

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                Have you literally never heard of the trolley problem?

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                You are morally responsible in some degree for 20 people dying rather than 10. Though, in that example, I seriously doubt that most people would think the moral choice is to shoot the 10 people. Probably because we instinctually know that wouldn’t be the end of it or none of the deaths seem inevitable.

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                  Probably because we instinctually know that wouldn’t be the end of it or none of the deaths seem inevitable.

                  Do you mean temporarily choosing the lesser evil is not a solution?

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                They are not equivalent situations. More like:

                Person A promises to kill 10 people. Person B promises to kill 20 people.

                Only one of them will do it, and you choose who. If you refuse to choose, person B will do it. What do you do?

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      Removed, you truncated the quote which takes it out of context.

      From the VP debate:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-vp-debate-transcript-walz-vance-2024/

      “But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. You saw it experienced today, where, along with our Israeli partners and our coalition, able to stop the incoming attack. But what’s fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.”

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      Spain, France, and Italy would piss off the EU. Korea and Poland are going to be a uhhh … learning opportunity for the IDF.

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          Every soldier has the right to defend themselves and others. Anyways that’s when my artillery support started hitting that one guy behind the rock.

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        Germany keeps on sucking Netanyahu’s dick and will always block any concerted action at the EU level.

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          I’m not familiar with how the EU actually works, does each country get a veto for things like sanctions? Because Germany might just get outvoted if Israel keeps going down this line.

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            In some things there is veto power and in some a majority vote (by states and by population) suffices.

            Whilst I do not know for certain in which category Sanctions fall, I would expect that given the implications at a geostrategical and trade level of them there’s a veto power there. Also I vaguelly remember Hungary blocking sanctions against Russia coordinates at the EU level and countries having to go around it and organising their own sanctions, which would mean it’s a vote were there is a veto.

            Even beyond that, German is certain to lobby and even bully (were it can) other EU countries so that they don’t sanction Israel.

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            Most big EU decisions must be agreed to by all members. If even one country disagrees, nothing happens, which is why they’re so pissed about Hungary blocking everything.

            The European Parliament is more democratic, but I think they can just do legislation, not compel the use of force or anything like that.

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    The IDF is filled with religious fanatical nutters and they knows exactly where the Irish command have positioned their troops. Someone decided to take revenge because the Irish are against the entire shit show in Gaza and West Bank.

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      This is highly likely. They also shot at and injured Indonesian peacekeepers since Indonesia is also one of other country that is vocal against Israel.