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    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      134·
      2 months ago

      Iran and China are hesitant on him. Iran because he might be stupid enough to actually start a pointless war that’s in no one’s strategic interests, not even the US; China because he can be bribed, but he also swaps to the opinion of the person who last spoke to him, which makes him unpredictable (and thus makes it difficult to establish any policy that deals with the US as long as he’s in power).

      • ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        2 months ago

        What can you say? He’s a Salesman, sure he ‘might’ of destabilised the world for a bunch of consecutive paydays, but he made profit!

        What a champ! /s

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        7·
        2 months ago

        And obviously all the US’s traditional allies, although it might have been implied they weren’t in the question.

    • Icalasari@fedia.io
      24·
      2 months ago

      Still kind of surprised there hasn’t been a poisoning attempt on him yet because of how much his ego thrives on being buttered up

      • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        13·
        2 months ago

        Wasn’t that why he loves fast food? It’s easier to target the White House supply chain for a precision poisoning than to try to hit every McDonald’s in a 50km radius and hope to get lucky.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    74·
    2 months ago

    Surprising absolutely no one except for the staunchest and blindest American Zionists.

  • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    2 months ago

    “He meddled several times during the Clinton administration…

    …supported fundraisers in Israel for then-GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election

    …in 2020 he was all-out for Trump.”

    all that meddling and he has fuck all to show for it lol. hopefully that is a good omen for 2024.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.socialEnglish
      66·
      2 months ago

      Fuck all to show for it? Democrats literally can’t tell him “no, stop doing genocide” or they’ll get primaried against “centrists” with twice their cash.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10·
            2 months ago

            I think it’s meant more as “Bibi, specifically, has failed to get the ideological allies of Bibi into power” rather than “Israel has failed to ensure that both parties are ideological allies of Israel”

            The distinction is important insofar as Netanyahu’s alliance with the GOP is concerned, as opposed to the general bootlicking attitude of American politicians towards Israel.

  • electric_nan@lemmy.mlEnglish
    51·
    2 months ago

    Damn, full support for a genocide that is unpopular with their own electorate, and this is the thanks they get? If you’re willing to lose due to principles, at least make them good principles.

    • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.

      • deviants@slrpnk.netEnglish
        47·
        2 months ago

        You just described a genocide, like one of the plain text definitions of a genocide. Mass murdering a group of people to steal their land.

        Doesn’t matter that you’ve made up a hypothetical fantasy scenario where they aren’t caged in cornered, but have free movement, it’s still a genocide.

        Oh, and they aren’t free to leave, they are caged and cornered.

        So you’re wrong, and you’re wrong again.

        • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          24 days ago

          The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.

          • deviants@slrpnk.netEnglish
            1·
            21 days ago

            Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?

            • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              19 days ago

              What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.

      • crapwittyname@lemm.eeEnglish
        27·
        2 months ago

        With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.

      • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
        23·
        2 months ago

        what’s the point of this argument even if you’re right? fuck what Israel is actually doing, I don’t care what it’s called. Fuck them

    • DogPeePoo@lemm.eeEnglish
      12·
      2 months ago

      It’s the sweet ketchup scent in the diaper that keeps them coming back time and time again.

        • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.socialEnglish
          16·
          2 months ago

          What the fuck is this and where do I buy one? How do I set it on people? Does it need their scent or does it have a little slot where I can insert someone’s picture and it’ll automatically home in on them?

          • BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            9·
            2 months ago

            I see you’re already familiar with our portfolio. The previous model required an item of clothing, preferably a shoe, in order for the target to be “serviced” correctly. This version simply requires a photograph of the intended victim’s unadorned foot. Right or left, the BawlSac™️ cares not.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      The Democrats are only sucking Israel’s dick by proxy. They’re actually just sucking the dick of the military industrial complex, because America is a corporate plutocracy masquerading as a democracy.

      Israel’s just a long time benefactor of, and contributor to, the MIC. Their existence = weapons contracts.

  • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    41·
    2 months ago

    They gonna do anything about it or continue to bend over backwards?

    I’m betting just more finger wagging while competing to be the most pro zionists in Washington

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      2 months ago

      The DNC as a whole have been trying to remove PACs and undo Citizens United, which alone would gut Netanyahu’s influence in the USA.

      EDIT: Since this is somehow controversial, the AIPAC is a pipeline of campaign funding directly from Israel. Democrats have on several occasions pushed bills that would overturn citizens united which fail to pass both chambers of congress including HR1 For the People Act

      • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        If they punlicly declared that they consider AIPAC a foreign influence agent, stop taking their money and start investigation for how it is a foreign influence agency, they wouldnt need to change any laws.

        They could have madea point of how they had enough and how the Reps are selling out the US to foreign influence. Instead they still take the money happily.

      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        AIPAC is a pipeline of campaign funding directly from Israel.

        Direction and Policies come from Israel, bit does money come directly from Israel?

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          Semantics but I suppose its fair criticism of my poor wording. The direct source of AIPAC funds comes from American Donors, and how or when those organizations or inidividuals got the funds isn’t publicly disclosed.

          But it is a lot of fucking money for sure.

    • Veneroso@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      I’m waiting for the strikes on Iran.

      Because they don’t want another nuclear deal.

    • Wes4Humanity@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      1 month ago

      No no, they’ll just go ahead and lose and blame Russia and Jill Stein… Probably throw Bernie under the bus too just for shits and giggles

  • circuscritic@lemmy.caEnglish
    27·
    2 months ago

    First off, this isn’t a secret, and it’s not new.

    This is just more of the same, the press going the extra mile to give reach-around cover and misdirection for the failed policies of the current administration, or rather, their actual policies, which have lead us to where we are.

    • Pacattack57@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      2 months ago

      You are incredibly misinformed if you believe the conflict in the Middle East is caused by the Biden administration. No matter who is the president, the US will always support Israel. Trump is loves to pretend he will fix something to get votes because his pocket book depends on being president.

      • circuscritic@lemmy.caEnglish
        20·
        2 months ago

        I’m not informed…?

        No US president in history, from either party, has been this hands-off with Israel. Period.

        And I didn’t say war, I said situation, as in the nonstop spiraling of events, without as much as a waiver in US support: diplomatically, militarily, or financially.

        The fact that you don’t know that, shows it’s not me who is misinformed.

        • zbyte64@awful.systemsEnglish
          11·
          2 months ago

          Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.

          • circuscritic@lemmy.caEnglish
            13·
            2 months ago

            Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?

            Again, I don’t think it’s me who’s under informed on this issue…

            • Pacattack57@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              2 months ago

              No one said it was Trump. The US has been giving financial aid to Israel for over 50 years. You are misinformed because you believe Trump will fix it. News flash he was already president and he didn’t fix shit.

              • circuscritic@lemmy.caEnglish
                10·
                2 months ago

                …what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict… That’s the same as saying Trump is to blame…

                And just because I’m rightfully assigning blame to Biden, the current sitting US president and self-proclaimed biggest support of Israel, doesn’t mean I support Trump.

                Feel free to creep on all of my comment history, my political leanings should be pretty self-evident.

                Don’t you feel gross telling people that if they say Biden’s policies have allowed the situation to get out of control, it means they support Trump?

                I mean, you do understand that ultimately Israel is our client state and entirely dependent upon our aid for their survival, right?

                They literally could not be prosecuting this war if we stopped shipping them weapons, and they would never have attacked Iran if we didn’t have our CSG and accompanying missile destroyers sitting in between them.

                • harmsy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  7·
                  2 months ago

                  Point the rest of us to where anyone in this thread said that Trump’s actions started the Israel conflict rather than just escalating what was already going on.

                • zbyte64@awful.systemsEnglish
                  4·
                  2 months ago

                  Me: post factual events

                  You:

                  Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?

                  Me: Who are you arguing with here? It isn’t me.

                  …what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict…

                  I said they were escalations in the conflict

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        30·
        2 months ago

        This is emphatically false. Like… Literally just a lie straight from the “both parties” crowd.

        The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically (weakly, since they seem afraid of piss off voters and hand everything to Trump).

        The Republicans fully support everything taking place right now. 100% support for Israel and this Hitler-esque leader of Isreal.

        • njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish
          33·
          2 months ago

          “No administration has helped Israel more than I have. None, none, none,"

          Joe Biden like yesterday

        • MisterScruffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
          21·
          2 months ago

          The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically

          How is Israel being pressured? Do you mean phone calls where Biden asks bibi to chill then sends him everything he wants anyway? That’s not pressure. Pressure would be putting conditions on arms transfers and Biden won’t do that so the only thing separating Ds and Rs on this issue is a very thin veil of rhetoric that no one believes anyway

        • shikitohno@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          2 months ago

          The democrats are currently pressuring Israel and pushing back politically

          Saying “Hey, bud, don’t do x, is I’ll be real mad at you,” and then going “Gee, you did what I told you not to. Well, here’s a few billion dollars more weapons for you, so you can keep doing what I publicly asked you not to do.” is not pressuring them, it’s attempting to give plausible deniability to people who feel bad about supporting a blatantly genocidal state, and to fool the folks who take soundbites in the news at face value.

          Current Democratic pressure amounts to fuck all outside of a handful of legislators who are demonized by the centrist and right wing factions of the party. To say otherwise is to either deny reality, or else willfully misrepresent it.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 months ago

          The democrats are currently pressuring Israel

          Do you suppose they could pressure me? I could use billions of dollars with no strings attached.

        • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          Tom Cotton has all but said Netanyahu should kill every Palestinian, which is further than even Netanyahu’s own far-right partners will go in public.

  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    1 month ago

    Considering how much money AIPAC has donated to get rid of any progressives that were critical of the genocidal Israeli government, I’m not surprised. I’m sure they’re getting even more desperate as as they need money and arms to continue the war started because of the governments sick violation of international law.