The group representing voters frustrated by the administration's policies on Gaza says Harris has made it “impossible” to endorse her.
  • g0nz0li0@lemmy.world
    123·
    2 months ago

    We must block Donald Trump, which is why we urge Uncommitted voters to vote against him and avoid third-party candidates that could inadvertently boost his chances

    Isn’t this just saying vote for Harris?

      • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
        43·
        2 months ago

        I guess what they’re trying to say is “We do not endorse this candidate, she doesn’t represent our views, but you need to vote for her anyway because that’s the only choice that will prevent a far worse outcome.”

        But if that’s so, I feel like they probably should have just said it, instead of dancing around the point like this.

        • prole
          12·
          2 months ago

          As if this isn’t the shit people have been trying to tell them for months now…

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          Particularly because some will take that to mean they should vote third party, which given how our shitty electoral system works, is essentially just a vote for Trump in terms of the end result.

    • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works
      35·
      2 months ago

      It’s a way to reframe the argument from a vote FOR a milquetoast candidate, to one AGAINST a would-be Dictator.

      Know that none of the 3 possible options for voters will immediately stop Israel’s current terror campaign on Palestinians and the Lebanese.

      Instead, all it does is set up the future environment and Government whom you can influence the actions of. Only ONE option provides an opportunity which could reign Israel back in, and it sure as shit isn’t a possible 2nd Trump administration.

    • petrol_sniff_king
      15·
      2 months ago

      Yes, but I imagine the roundabout is to maintain pressure.

      I want Kamala to win but I also want her to fix the fucking gaza problem, and she can’t be allowed to forget that.

  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    46·
    2 months ago

    It’s a two party system. Doing anything else but voting for Harris is helping donnie, which is only going to make the situation in Gaza even worse if he wins.

      • luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
        1·
        2 months ago

        The mansions and luxury resorts of oligarchs?

        (By which I mean oligarchs the world over, by whatever name they may be called. At some point, nationality stops mattering if you’re mega-rich and just becomes a means to consolidate even more power.)

  • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
    12·
    2 months ago

    Leftists and enlightened centrists unified in disdain for both parties, but knowing they’ve got to do their bit to stave off the rise of fascism.

  • sik0fewl@lemmy.ca
    7·
    2 months ago

    It’s nice that they won’t endorse the fascist, but how bad is it if you can’t endorse the nonfascist.

  • bloodfart@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 months ago

    Showing that good democrat stick-to-it-iveness that we all know and love.

    I’m voting psl in November and so can you.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      19·
      2 months ago

      Don’t know, don’t care, because that’s a stupid fucking movement if you’re actually interested in preventing a fascist electoral victory.

              • sub_ubi@lemmy.ml
                3·
                2 months ago

                What am I spoiling? Either my candidate wins or one of the ethnic cleansing candidates wins. (I’m against ethnic cleansing)

                • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  7·
                  2 months ago

                  Tell me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics without telling me you don’t understand the influence AIPAC wields in American politics

                  Pull your head out of your ass. Harris has to tread carefully if she doesn’t want AIPAC to give a dump truck of money to Trump. Moreover, she has ZERO official capacity to define or enact international policy as the VP. And voting 3p increases the chance that Trump wins, and his idea of a “final solution” in Gaza will be a lot fucking closer to Bibi’s than a two-state solution, let alone a halt to the violence and apartheid. Trump’s likely to send a squadron of B-52s to Gaza and the West Bank to reduce them to rubble, then break ground on a new beachfront Trump Tower Gaza with a special land grant from Bibi.

                  But sure; ignore the context. Be part of the group that helps to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Let the fascists win. What could possibly fucking go wrong.

                • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  6·
                  2 months ago

                  “I don’t like murder, but I’m sure as hell not going to vote for the ‘less murder’ option! I’m going to keep my hands clean and help more murder happen instead.”

                  Not taking action is still a choice. Your convictions are sacraficed by not preventing the worse thing. In the trolley problem, not pulling the lever that saves lives is still a choice. You aren’t helping anyone by plugging your ears with your fingers. You’re only keeping your childish self-view intact. You didn’t actually do anything.

        • YeetPics@mander.xyz
          3·
          2 months ago

          Probably the part that makes .ml users have strokes on Lemmy.

          That’s the non-fascist part.

          Good luck electing drumpf.