Hello everyone,

Based on the recent instability of Lemmy.world, a lot of people have been wondering whether they should move to another instance.

I used to look at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list and recommend people to pick a generalist instance with as much users as possible (using the 1m column), usually

Of course, there are also the regional options

And of course, the thematic instances

I used to recommend the most populated instances, as we know that All depends on users subscribed from the instance.

However, now with the introduction of the Lemmy Community Seeder (https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs), which

tells your instance to pull the top communities and the communities with the top posts from your favorite instances

do you think this should still apply? I have seen promising instances (high uptime, already on 18.4 that was released today)

Would you recommend users to join those as well, assuming that the admins use the LCS to populate the All feed? Most of us remember the Vlemmy.net disappearance, and it’s difficult to tell users to join small instances based on good faith, but at the same time, every instance needs to start somewhere, and they should be given a chance.

What do you think?

  • AdaA
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    2211 months ago

    If I were to move instance for some reason, my primary concern would be that they aggressively and pro-actively moderate bigotry of all sorts, rather than "both sides"ing it

      • stebo
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        Lol I love the duality of lemmy: the first top comment says “the least defederations, the better”, while the second top comment states the exact opposite.

        I’m somewhere in-between. Defederation from obvious problematic instances (like lemmygrad, explodingheads etc.) is important, but there’s no need to overdo it.

        • gabe [he/him]
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          311 months ago

          Yeah. The reason why mine is so large is because it copies over from across the fediverse, not just in lemmy.

    • @Overzeetop@beehaw.org
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      1011 months ago

      So…beehaw?

      TBF, I have accounts at beehaw, world, and sopuli in addition to kbin. Each one has its own feel, and sometimes I’ll pull one up just based on my mood.

      • AdaA
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        411 months ago

        More than likely, yeah

  • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝
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    2011 months ago

    I went with Feddit.uk as I am in the UK and it also helps give a more local spin to things because, increasingly, the English-language web seems to default to an American take on things and so going local helps counter that.

    Plus uptime is good and the admin has said they will wield the defederation hammer sparingly.

  • Ulu-Mulu-no-die
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    2011 months ago

    with as much users as possible

    Wouldn’t this lead to the same problems lemmy.world is having?

    I would recommend choosing based on interests, rules that align with you, proximity to where you live, stuff like that. Population is not a problem, you can still participate everywhere because of federation.

    • @Blaze@sopuli.xyzOP
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      711 months ago

      The issues with choosing a small instance (let’s say less than 500 users) is that your All feed would be quite empty, as only communities that people on your instances subscribed to would show up, which is an issues with discoverability of new content.

      As I said in the post, the LCS tool can be a mitigation against that.

      Otherwise, I generally agree with you

      • Ulu-Mulu-no-die
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        1311 months ago

        I joined the fediverse a couple months ago, before the reddit protest started, admins of lemmy.ml were asking people to join smaller instances because they were being overloaded.

        So an instance with less than 500 users was the parameter I used to choose, that instance was lemmy.world lol, look at where they are now.

        I created a second account on lemm.ee only a few days ago for various reason, being populated wasn’t one of them :)

      • @guts@lemmy.ml
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        211 months ago

        You can lurk all the federation in clients, better choose an instance of your liking and is federated.

  • frozen
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    2011 months ago

    I advertised my instance in a different thread. It’s been almost exclusively a single-user instance, and I use both LCS and Lemmony to federate popular content. I’ve been exceedingly happy with it and don’t plan on going anywhere, so I figured I could handle a few extra users.

    So if your criteria include:

    • High uptime
    • Federation with popular content
    • Sensible rules

    … feel free to check my instance out. Do note that so far, I’ve only defederated from exploding-heads (right-wing trolls) and threads (preemptively, of course).

    I’ll probably cap registrations at 100 users or so, just to make sure my systems can handle the load, then see where things stand.

  • @xapr@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1511 months ago

    My three top criteria for picking an instance were:

    1. Little to no defederation issues, in either direction.
    2. Likely to stick around for the long term.
    3. Relatively small.
  • @chrisbit@leminal.space
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    1411 months ago

    I’m the admin of mine. Why? Because I enjoy doing, it’s in the spirit of decentralisation, and I didn’t want to risk being part of an instance that defederates from leftist instances like Lemmygrad or Hexbear. I only intend to proactively defederate from fascist and troll instances, and NSFW to reduce legal drama.

    • @guts@lemmy.ml
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      411 months ago

      And this is the big advantage of Lemmy being decentralized, people don’t need to choose an instance with your political idiology.

        • @kd637_mi@lemmy.sdf.org
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          Hell yeah, I’m concerned that if SDF decides to block instance they will include Lemmygrad and Hexbear so I might make an account on yours. I assume you’re defederated from stuff like exploding heads, rammy, and burggitt?

          Actually just checked your list, perfect blocked instances list and absolutely sick instance theme. Love it. I’m in 😎

    • @Blaze@sopuli.xyzOP
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      311 months ago

      SDF is indeed a nice community.

      The issue with Beehaw is their defederation from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, which prevents accessing some communities (even though I’m not a 100% if it’s bidirectional or only one way)

    • stebo
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      311 months ago

      it would be really funny if that instance stopped working

      • @Thaolin@sh.itjust.works
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        411 months ago

        It frequently does sadly. it’s run by one guy and I think it is starting to cost quite a bit to host. I’m pretty sure it’s hosted in Canada and our Internet and hosting costs here are asinine.

  • @NightOwl@lemmy.one
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    1011 months ago

    I went with lemmy.one because of privacyguides from reddit, and I liked that the move of actually being serious about the protest by making an alternative to move away from. Very few of the subreddits I subscribed to ever decided to make an instance or a fediverse community, so lemmy.one was what I defaulted to in the beginning. Since then Android has made an instance too, so that’d be my second choice. Anyways, that’s how I decided by going with what I was familiar with.

  • circuitfarmer
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    I like having an instance with local communities that match some of my interests. I also tried to find one a little more niche, but not so small as to be run out of someone’s closet. And of course, always donate to your home instance. Bandwidth doesn’t grow on trees!

    On the privacy side, it was also important to me to have an instance that didn’t want my email address.

    • always donate to your home instance

      Couldn’t agree more. I treat this as a rule across the fediverse. Hell I spend more time on various fedi platforms than I do playing video games, so I may as well put my money where my mouth is

  • WorseDoughnut 🍩
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    11 months ago

    I initially went with Kbin and Beehaw since it was clear that kbin and lemmy were going to mostly diverge on key features from the start. At the time, Beehaw was getting a ton of traffic thanks to the join-lemmy homepage placing them at the top of the suggested instances list, so there was no real criteria that went into my choice other than that.

    Eventually deleted my Beehaw account though, after the admins made it clear they were not prepared for the influx and were being rather dramatic about their defederation choices as a result. It left a bad taste in my mouth, and while I understand their stance was “safe place first, popular site second” it just didn’t vibe with what I expected from an open reddit alternative.

    Moved to VLemmy after that, and we all know how that went, but my rationale was that it was a growing but moderately small instance.

    Afterwards I made 2 new accounts: one on infosec.pub and the other on lemdro.id.

    At this point I’m mostly sticking with the Lemdro.id account, since they seem to be offering some very friendly support via their matrix space, and they have some apparently unique changes to backend to make it a very fast and easy to scale instance.

    My kbin.social and infosec.pub accounts are mostly just alts gathering dust as a result.

    • @Blaze@sopuli.xyzOP
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      Interesting, thanks for your feedback.

      they have some apparently unique changes to backend to make it a very fast and easy to scale instance.

      Shouldn’t that be merged into the Lemmy platform at some? It would probably benefit everyone

      • WorseDoughnut 🍩
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        I don’t know enough about the specifics to say whether or not it’s something that would be useful upstream. It’s possible that it’s just their unique combination of software & hardware that makes it work the way it does.

        I’m sure someone in their Matrix server could offer more insight.

  • Rottcodd
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    A probably too long post about an entirely different way of viewing things:

    I have accounts at… I guess about eight instances. I didn’t see any reason to pick one, so I just signed up for everything that looked interesting and promising.

    I expected to eventually settle on one, but as it turns out, I actually like having multiple accounts. I have four that I rotate between at the moment. Oh, and with the same username on each, though I still haven’t decided if that’s a good idea or not.

    First, I have a kbin account and multiple lemmy accounts. Even though lemmy has more users, I much prefer kbin just as far as the software goes - it’s just a better UI. And Ernest is awesome.

    Beyond that though, each instance is a different experience, since the federated communities on each one are different, depending on what other instances they’re federated with and which communities from which instances people have subscribed to. And I’ve amplified that by having different sets of subscriptions on different instances.

    Kbin.social has a good mix of content but without most of the botfarm instances. I like that. That’s where I do virtually all of my serious posting.

    Lemmy.world (when it’s up) has a wide range of content, but too much of it, even not counting the bots, is too shallow IMO. It feels too much like Reddit for my tastes. It is the best one to check in on for the most popular topics though, and it’s where I’m most likely to be subscribed to communities for memes, humor, drama, pictures - all that sort of junk.

    Lemmy.one actually feels like what it is - an instance that demands that users behave themselves. It’s nice when I want to just unwind, because it’s already the case that problematic instances are defederated, and I have a limited set of feel good subs there. I almost never post from there though, since I don’t trust myself to behave.

    Lemmy.ninja is my favorite. It’s just quirky little instance with terrific admins and an amusing aesthetic. It’s little though - 120 users last I heard. That shows in its all, which is fairly limited, presumably just because few people means few subscriptions so few federated communities. That’s fine though - it’s a selection that matches my interests fairly well. And ninjas are cool.

    And I’m still on the lookout for a serious, scholarly sort of instance - somewhere that will be a comfortable home for subs to philosophy communities and the like.

  • @BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml
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    811 months ago

    I started on lemmy.world, right up until their “wait and see” approach to Meta/Threads, which is when I moved to lemmy.ml.

    Not going to lie though, it also seems like most of the low-quality memes/shit posts come from lemmy.world, so I don’t feel like I’m missing out on much.