When I visit kbin.social, I see new posts regularly. On other servers posts stay on the frontpage for multiple days. This is also true if I switch their sorting to “hot”. So that is probably not the difference.
What is kbin.social doing differently?
I’ve seen like 5 different posts about this already, I guess I’ll reply to this one too xD
Lemmy “Hot” ranking is currently kinda broken. There’s an edge case that stops the hot_rank column from decreasing, meaning the post never goes off the front page. Will be fixed in 0.18.
Do you know when 0.18 will be out?
Trite answer: When it’s done
More in-depth answer: Currently there’s no set date. It depends on how quickly they can tear out all the WebSockets code and replace it with simple HTTP (that’s the BIG change, will fix a lot of different things), and then test those changes. The hot_rank fix has already been merged, that’s done, but they want a stable, cohesive release with all the good stuff.
Current estimations I’ve seen range from 1-2 weeks, but it all depends on how fast they can get it coded and tested.
2 weeks is juuuust in time for the 3rd party apps cancellation
I believe it’s supposed to drop next week as long as there are no last minute problems.
Why are they getting rid of WebSockets? It’s really useful for instant data and is often faster than simple HTTP requests.
You can see the discussion about this here, but the short version is that it’s not scalable, hits apps & browsers like a truck, memory leaks, and live updates cause feed reshuffling which is really annoying
The websockets work has been merged. I’m using it on my instance now, but there’s no release yet. It’s been really stable for me so far, so I’m hoping there aren’t major issues and they can push it out soon.
What is kbin.social doing differently?
Unknown about kbin, but I’ve heard that Hot is currently broken for (most?) instances across the lemmyverse. (This might be related to the size of the instance - apparently for small (single-to-double-digit users) instances Hot works fine?)
Edit: and this is supposed to be fixed in the next release, 0.18
Sometimes I’m wrongly upvoted/downvoted the post when browsing through a very crowded lemmy instance. New posts like every minute lol
Different sorting algorithm? But yeah I agree, the hot feed on kbin feels more active with posts as new as 30 mins.
I presume you’re talking about Lemmy from any of the different instances. If you’re looking at local it’s only going to show local posts and not “everywhere”. Be warned though, currently there’s a bug where when you do select “All” it updates with a pull from outside the instance very often, so much so that it can make reading and browsing difficult. That should be updated soon.
I mainly tried lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and a few others. I did try them with and without “all” and it was cumbersome regardless. Either I was served posts with zero or negative upvotes that to me do not classify as “hot” or my feed did not update at all.
What’s weird to me is that kbin.social was the only one I tried that was not affect by any of this strangeness.
Kbin and Lemmy are different frameworks and have been written using different languages. After some hiccups initially, kbin seem to be more stable than Lemmy right now, including when it comes to frontpage sorting. But both are pretty new and are actively being developed. You can expect these issues to be fixed soon as the devs push new updates.
Kbin uses a completely different backend and is nicely optimised. The owner (Ernest) is also investing in server space to accommodate the higher user activity.
They might answer you themselves, I’m sure they’re lurking here somewhere. 🙃
I think default and timeline algorithm on kbin is better than on lemmy, but with little tweak and changing several settings, I can see more posts dinamically on my homepage.
Any tips on what settings to change?
I set my home to only show for subscribed community and sort it by new comment. Then I aggressively follow any comm/magazine than seems interesting. It make my feed comprised with both new and old-but-active posts/threads. Half of my first page feeds are constant, but there are new posts here and there. Enough for me not to get bored.
It depends on what you mean by other servers…Lemmy instances? I haven’t seen any differences between kbin instances.
Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.
So that would be why it’s “better” in that regard than Lemmy instances. My understanding is that it’s a bug in Lemmy that will be fixed soon.
The “popping” of the feed in Lemmy is tied to their use of websockets instead of http. I believe the devs stated they’ll be moving off of websockets in the future.
Yeah Lemmy instances. I thought kbin is also a Lemmy instances. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
You bet! The fediverse is definitely a confusing concept to wrap your head around the first time. And it doesn’t help that different software server instances don’t need to use a site name that specifies which software they are (like Beehaw, for example).
