• hperrin@lemmy.world
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    If I ask for a latte, and you give me a coffee with milk, I’m gonna be upset. There’s a big difference between steamed milk and just milk.

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      If I ask for latte, and you give me a coffee with milk, I’m gonna be upset. There’s a big difference between milk and coffee with milk.

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        You do know that when you steam milk it changes the consistency, right? It’s like the difference between a coke and a completely flat coke.

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          I thought they were making a joke, in that latte means milk and that it’s “cafe latte” in Italy or something.

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            Yeah, I think they were, but also if I ask for a latte in an English speaking coffee shop and get a glass of milk, I’d be upset.

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          Isn’t a latte non-steamed though? I thought a cappuccino had the frothed milk in it.

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              Understood, but in the context of a coffee shop in an anglophone place it has a different agreed upon meaning.

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              In Italy, sure, but the sign looks to be from an American coffee shop, so “latte” doesn’t mean just milk in this context.

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                True, however - as I replied to a similar remark - the (presumably humorous) comment that keeps getting downvoted is technically correct

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                  If by technically correct, you mean only correct if you mix languages, then sure. But afaik, this thread is in English.

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            With a latte, it’s just normal steamed milk. A cappuccino has foamy steamed milk. Specifically, it has an equal volume of steamed milk and foam taking up space in the cup. You get more actual milk diluting the coffee in a latte, resulting in a milder drink.

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      I ordered an almond joy latte and went back in asking for another drink cause it was horrible.

      Turns out it was a coffee not a drink. I hadn’t had coffee in so long I couldn’t identify the lack of steamed milk. 🫤

      I did get it remade as a latte and it was amazing.

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      Exactly … it’s the kind of place with one cheap coffee machine that buys the cheapest ground bulk coffee they can find and probably spike the grounds with a bit of salt to make it palpable for their regular customers who all don’t care about their coffee because they’ve been visiting the same place for over 20 years.

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    I know everyone is here for the same thing, and we’ve all been correcting this image since it showed up five years ago, but an Americano is not a black coffee.

    It is however, coffee that is black, but if I ordered one and got the other, I’d know somethings up.

    Also, I really don’t know why people drink americano. To me they just taste like cigarettes, but I’m currently drinking chicory so my opinion is moot.

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      An Americano isn’t coffee.

      It’s a watered down espresso.

      The only reason it exists is because Americans visiting Europe would ask for coffee, and many euro coffee shops only had espresso, so they just added hot water to espresso and that was close enough for the tourists.

      At least, that was what I heard.

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        I’m confused now, because espresso is also coffee? Like, it’s all made from coffee beans. I agree that Americano is espresso with water, but to me that is absolutely a kind of coffee.

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          It’s confusing since espresso is a type of coffee, and coffee (aka “drip coffee”) is a completely different type of coffee.

          Coffee is both a class of item, and also a specific item within the class.

          If you say coffee, it could mean the class of all kinds of coffee, or you could be referring specifically to the coffee item in the class coffee. If you say espresso, it’s still in the class coffee, but it’s a specific type of coffee that cannot be conflated with a different kind of coffee.

          English sucks.

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          In the US coffee = filter coffee, espresso = espresso

          In Italy coffee = espresso, dirty water = filter coffee

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      As an American living in Europe for over a decade, Americano is the default I have to drink when I’m out unless I go to a hipster coffee shop. The main reason being practically no one does filter coffee, but almost every restaurant has an espresso machine.

      And it tastes like cigarettes because even though every restaurant has an espresso machine it doesn’t mean they clean it, and doesn’t mean their staff knows how to use it properly. Water temps too high, too much coffee grounds, over compressed, lowest quality beans. Fucking everywhere. It’s awful.

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        even though every restaurant has an espresso machine it doesn’t mean they clean it, and doesn’t mean their staff knows how to use it properly. Water temps too high, too much coffee grounds, over compressed, lowest quality beans. Fucking everywhere. It’s awful.

        And this is why, as an Italian, I can’t drink espresso anywhere in the world. 9/10 is just awful

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      For whatever reason, at the time Italian coffee names became so popular 15 or so years ago, coffee became either super intense or a dessert. I’m old and I just want a mild coffee like I used to drink before the fashion, not a super strong one. Call me a lightweight if you want, I don’t take pride in doing stimmulants.

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      an Americano is not a black coffee.

      It is however, coffee that is black,

      Hold on now, I’m not getting this. What meaning could “black coffee” possibly have other than a coffee that is black?

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        It’s color is black, but it’s not black the type. Cold brew, espresso, and chickory are also blackthe color, but they’re not what you ordered if you wanted black the type.

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          I guess I’ve never really thought of “black” as a type of coffee. Where I live black usually just means you don’t want any milk in whatever type of coffee you ordered.

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    I prefer the Spanish names.

    Americano - half coffee half water.
    Solo - just coffee.
    Cortado - coffee with a “cut” of milk.
    Cafe con leche - half coffee half milk.
    Leche manchada - milk “dirtied” with a dash of coffee.

    Then expresso and all the other bullshit.

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      Fr, the amount of times I found myself having to say “just half coffee half milk” because I forgot the fucking dumb nonsensical name…

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        You get the warm bitter espresso then the cool sweet vanilla icecream. You need to eat it quick while it melts then drink it when it combines into a coolish sweet coffee thing.

        Its fantastic and so simple.

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    For anyone that sees espresso and thinks express, as in something fast, it’s actually meant to be pressed, as it’s an Italian term. So that’s hot water that went through pressed coffee powder.

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      And an Americano is a watered-down espresso. That said, it tastes identical to coffee to me but I don’t drink the shit so…

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      Do you drink double-quad espresso shots or something?

      They’re definitely miniature compared to a cappuccino or and americano.

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    This is gonna make a lot of Europeans mad.

    Source : am french. I love me some Americano, but the default here is the espresso. You can also get a “long espresso” which is basically a diluted espresso, and is still not the same as an Americano (and this is where my coffee knowledge stops, so I’m not sure what the differences are exactly). I also have some Italian family and they would probably disown me if I said that the Americano is the “default” black coffee

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    I thought flat white and latte were synonyms and they both meant milky coffee. Now I’m confused, so it’s just the foam?

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      Flat white is 2 espresso shots and equal parts steamed milk. A Latte is more steamed milk (idk the exact ratio if there is one), most places just fill up whatever latte cup they have which should be bigger than the flat white cup, and has a small amount of head/foam.

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      Flat white is always made with some milk foam on top, traditionally less than a Latte.

      So the difference should be in the ratio of coffee to milk to froth, which is also true of other varieties like cortado.

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    If I order an Americano and you serve me a filter black coffee, I swear …