• LarmyOfLone@lemm.eeEnglish
    38·
    3 months ago

    The result of neoliberalism, increasing wealth inequality, decades of lies and misinformation in mainstream media and refugee streams triggered by unnecessary wars and climate change.

    It is INEVITABLE that Europe is going to become more and more fascist and it has nothing to do with Germany specifically. UK is arresting people for posting online about the genocide in Palestine. France is rather doing a coup than let actual socialists rule. This is the inevitable result. Nothing can change this now. Prepare for it. I’m going to build a boat.

    • instantregret@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      It’s an east-west problem, Nazis are especially big in former eastern Germany. Since smart young people leave the area, the loud minority of authoritative complainers increases. They completely lack empathy and are unable and unwilling to change their lives. They only want to drag everyone down and project their self-hatred about that on others. Of course, they also hate on people who want to change sth. for a better future in this area. Those idiots are still the minority, but it must be harderband harder for the normal people to live with those idiots, especially on the countryside.

      • InvertedParallax@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        It’s exactly the same with the American south, anyone with an education escapes as fast as they can, leaving the uneducated poor who are recruited by the historical landed gentry through racism.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        And in France we can see the liberals would rather do a coup than let actual socialists rule. The people in the east have more understanding of socialist theory and it’s limitations, and they might actually understand better why the neoliberal austerity policy of Germany won’t help them. So rather than inequality based on class and wealth they choose inequality based on identity like race. Because if you’re getting fucked anyway, why wouldn’t you.

        • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          They have even less of a clue of socialism than the people in the west. They believe not only that immigrants are the problem but also social spending, taxes, unions, scientists and students.

  • IAmNotACat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    3 months ago

    It’s extremely charted: Berlin moves to the right and ends up in Poland. Basic history and geography.

    • mkwt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      I believe the German tanks are already traversing the steppes of Ukraine that they yearn for.

  • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    3 months ago

    this is just colonial tradition: seeing territory that has clearly been occupied and still acting like you’re the first to discover it.

    • PauloPelle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      “Uhh; is everyone forgetting a pretty significant decade in the middle of the 20th century where a man with a funny mustache rose to power and their aggression and genocidal tendencies had everyone going at it for like 5 years?”

  • acockworkorange@mander.xyzEnglish
    13·
    3 months ago

    WTF, Germany? Last time you were a war torn country with the economy in the shitter, what’s the excuse this time?

  • buttfarts@lemy.lolEnglish
    6·
    3 months ago

    This is a reaction to far-right Islamists becoming German citizens, something the left is unable to address because it feels honorbound to tolerate intolerance from anybody

    • Miaou@jlai.luEnglish
      35·
      3 months ago

      Step 1. Vote Merkel in for 20 years Step 2. Blame the left

      I see the exact same pattern in France. Almost like people are spewing talking points without any actual logic behind them

      • anivia@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        3 months ago

        Step 1. Vote Merkel in for 20 years

        16 years, but you are essentially right

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        3 months ago

        Somehow the small detail that increasing the number of people seeking jobs in certain domains (especially unspecialized occupations) is almost entirely only a win in a host country for businesses (because they can pay less for workers since adding more people to the worker pool tilts the Offer-Demand balance in the job market in their favor) and possibly a certain well-of middle class (who get cheap food delivery, cheap quasi-taxi service and cheap house-cleaners) who are politically represented by the Right not the Left, seems to fly over the heads of the mindless parrots repeating such “blame the left for immigration” slogans.

        Mind you, this many decades into Neoliberalism, pretty much all “center”/“moderate” parties (i.e. the larger ones) in Europe are Rightwing Neoliberals, including the ones claiming to be “Center-Left” (notice how often they talk about what’s “good for businesses” and how measures to “support businesses” including subsidies are never limited to only those businesses which have been determined to be good for Society and often help large highly exploitative/extractive businesses who evade taxes), so it’s somewhat understandable that people see such supposedly Leftwing parties defending open door immigration (because as I explained above, it benefits the people who have them in their pocket) and are easily led to conclude that the Leftwing is pro-immigration.

        It doesn’t help that some fake-Left liberal numpties hailing from the upper middle class who parrot Anglo-Saxon Identity Politics and have no clue how the other 90% actually live, relentlessly pose as some kind of pro-immigration Leftwing when the traditional Leftwing is all about representing the local workers and the local poor and wouldn’t at all put helping the workers and poor abroad above helping the ones they represent. Many people hear such fake-Lefties defending the kind of open-door immigration that won’t affect them as scions of the upper middle and upper class, as some kind of duty to help other people, and think such individuals represent the Left.

        In the middle of all this, immigrants (who are neither better people nor worse people that the locals) are just doing the same thing as most other people - living their lives and trying to do what’s best for themselves - many having moved to another country deceived about the kind of life they could get there and how they would be accepted, only to work in shitty jobs, having to pay through their noses for their accommodation in overinflated housing markets and be made scapegoats for accepting the invitation of certain local politicians doing for selfish reason and who aren’t the ones getting the blame.

    • Micromot@lemmy.zipEnglish
      23·
      3 months ago

      The far-right islamists aren’t the problem populists make them out to be in germany. The solution they provide is also very xenophobiv and will only make stuff worse. This isn’t a reaction to them it’s just the german people failing to recognize what is true and what you shouldn’t believe in politics. Also it’s very attractive to listen to the simple solutions these parties suggest instead of actually finding something that would fix the problem

    • Suzune@ani.socialEnglish
      21·
      3 months ago

      Small lesson on populism.

      Populism: “They do nothing.”

      Not populism:

      • take a close look at a case where a convicted criminal hasn’t lost their protection despite being a previously recognized fugitive
      • look at the reasons why a court has difficulties with it
      • look at the situation that caused the crime
      • decide what to do with the laws or the situation of the fugitives

      Populism is just being a lazy fuck and don’t even start to search for any solutions. And being a lazy fuck is the primary problem with all those nazi fans in Germany.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        Populism is simple explanations meant for simple people.

        Same reason why Religion got so popular and it’s still so popular: it gives people the simple <deity> did it explanation for things which would be way harder for one to feel they understood if they got the Scientific explanation.

        It’s amazing how many people have an strong emotional rejection of anything even in the slightest way complex, especially as they age - I suspect they’re not even aware that their anger at being given complex explanations is not about the contents of the explanation but about the unpleasant feeling when one has difficulty following something.

        If I remember it correctly there are studies showing that people who fall for Rightwing Populist tend to be less intelligent and/or less educated.

    • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 months ago

      It’s actually pretty insane how quickly the extreme right has evolved from: “we are against immigration of Muslims because they are intolerant to Western values” towards antisemitism, bigotry towards LGBTQ and love of Putins authoritarianism. The daylight between fundamentalist Islam and parties like AFD is getting smaller and smaller. The only difference is, you guessed it, the color of their skin.

      • buttfarts@lemy.lolEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        Oh yea, the native German far right have a grab basket of abhorrent BS behind whatever popular legitimate grievance is the hot topic in the country. German anxiety about far-right Islamists is the gateway drug to the pro-Putin ideological buffet

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      a reaction to far-right Islamists becoming German citizens

      I mean, its certainly reactionary. But so much of the response is hysterical. It isn’t rooted in current events nearly so much as it is a response to mass media fixating on Muslims as The Other and overreporting - even straight up fabricating - events intended to make Muslims look uniquely dangerous.

      the left is unable to address because it feels honorbound to tolerate intolerance from anybody

      Antisemitism Islamphobia is the Socialism of Fools.

      German labor leaders need to incorporate migrant laborers into their coalitions or they will continue to be a wedge that drives apart the older generation from the new. As it stands, the miniscule number of new Muslim workers have become the scapegoats in a global capitalist project to dismantle European domestic industry.

      Germans are turned at each others throats so that their landlords can pick their pockets and loot their corpses when the killing is done.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      You guys can really whine about those things, don’t you?

      There are less than 4% people who believe in Islam in Germany.

      Are you afraid they are going to take over your precious extreme right? Since you guys have the same morals and values it seems.

      • buttfarts@lemy.lolEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        I’m not far right myself. I’m a Canadian Trudeau voter. I’m just saying that I think seeing far-right Islamists triggers the native far-right in Germany more than Trudeau triggers anti-vaxxers in Canada