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kersplomp@programming.dev to Today I Learned@lemmy.worldEnglish · 11 months ago

TIL The United States was responsible for the majority of documented electoral interventions

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  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    I was feeling an itch to quantify this list and look at the impact of recent elections as well. Here’s the tallies as I found them from the source-

    USA- 58 interventions, 3 since 2000

    Soviet Union/Russia- 38 interventions, 9 since 2000

    China- 20 interventions, 18 since 2000

    Saudi Arabia- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

    Iran- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

    Israel- 3 interventions, all post-2000

    India- 3 interventions, 2 since 2000

    France- 3 interventions, 2 since 2000

    There’s a smattering of others with 1-3 interventions but these were the main ones.

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      The US’ glory days are clearly in the past 😔

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        I’m happy to see most of the hypocrisy limited to the Cold War. Well, that we know of, at least.

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          We did try to coup Venezuela back in ‘0220 (right - I thought it was more recently, but I just misread the date multiple times apparently), but we apparently lost our touch in the intervening decade since Cold War I wrapped up.

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            ‘20, but yeah, pretty much par for the course for the Trump admin. Great example of the blowback not being worth it, but that’s never stopped the CIA from trying some dumbass shit.

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          Makes sense, solidify capitalism globally and help crush any existing communist state. Jobs done so why continue I guess…

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            My take is the blowback isn’t really worth the effort (Iran as a prime example) so they’ve mostly stopped, but maybe that’s just me hoping for a less cynical reality.

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        the US switched to sanctions and is now sanctioning like 30% of the world. For instance, afaik, the trump sanctions on venezuela started the current uptick of venezuelan refugees

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          The refugees as you call them have been steady since 2013, way before the sanctions to 7 specific individuals, but just in time for socialism to fail due to lack of money

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            the reality is there was a big uptick in border crossings and refugees about a year after the 2017 sanctions blocking oil sales that created a debt crisis and its only gone up since then

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        Kids these days don’t even know how to rig an election. What are they even teaching in schools.

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      The Vatican City having one was a highlight for me

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        The Vatican, another theocratic state instantiated by far right extremists. The Vatican as a modern nation state was formalized by Mussolini.

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      Saudi Arabia- 4 interventions, 3 since 2000

      This feels like an undercount.

      Israel- 3 interventions, all post-2000

      This feels like an enormous undercount.

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      aww France why

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        They’re not the greatest to their former colonies. Gave Russia the opening in West Africa imo

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    This list is very incomplete. I’m noticing American coups in at least Pakistan with Imran Khan and 2020 Venezuela are missing. Also Afghanistan doesn’t exist on that list?

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      Cool, you should add those in and find some sources. It’s Wikipedia

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      There was no coup in Venezuela in 2020.

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020)

        Operation Gideon (Spanish: Operación Gedeón) was an unsuccessful attempt by the Active Coalition of the Venezuelan International Reserve, Venezuelan dissidents, and a private security firm, Jordan Goudreau’s Silvercorp USA, to infiltrate Venezuela by sea and remove Nicolás Maduro from power.

        The US administration of Donald Trump pressured for the exit of Maduro,[18] charged him with narcoterrorism, and put a US$15 million reward for information leading to his capture and arrest. [19][20] Yet throughout 2019, the Maduro administration maintained control of Venezuela’s military agencies and key governmental institutions.[21] Maduro enjoyed the support of the higher ranks of the military, but less so among the middle and lower ranks.[14][15]

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          Right because that’s how you stage a coup, with like, 3 people against a full country. Yep , checks out

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            Moving my goalpost from

            • The coup attempt didn’t happen

            to

            • The coup attempt doesn’t count because it was so badly executed

            It should be noted that the US attempted to indict Maduro on nacro-trafficking charges that same year, offering a $15M reward for his arrest and extradition. This was the underlying motivation for the Silver Corps bungled mission.

            This was also two years after a drone attack was launched against a site hosting Maduro during a speech.

            But please, lets all pretend the US doesn’t have an explicit policy of regime change aimed at the current President of Venezuela. Or, for that matter, the national leadership of Bolivia, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

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    Always projection when the US shouts about others doing the same.

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      I mean, others are doing the same. We know because it makes it harder for us to meddle in foreign elections. And of course Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, they’re going to interfere with our elections as much as they can. President Trump was very good for them, and his voters are easily swayed.

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        • mean_bean279@lemmy.world
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          I always love when someone from a country with a homogenous ethnic and cultural background tries to tell me about how racist the US is.

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          Hey, maybe stick to .ml. They like to ban conversation and put people in their place. That seems like the home you’re looking for.

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            • Bone@lemmy.world
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              On full display for all to see

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          Lots of strawmanning right here

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        It is a matter of scale, the US does it to grow and maintain hegemonic power and others react in kind.

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          That makes it sound like you think that its only wrong with the US does it?

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            It’s like American exceptionalism for people that don’t like America

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            Welcome to Lemmy

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            No but there is a measure of who had caused the most harm for their own good. US #1

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            Right back at you buddy.

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              • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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                Talking about the US.

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    While responsible for more than any other country, they are not listed as responsible for a majority on that page. 57 out of 125.

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    I think it’s unfair to the hard working people of the Kremlin to exclude any election featuring Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, or Marine Le Pen from this list.

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      Feel free to add it to the list. It’s Wikipedia.

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    It’s funny how Israel is routinely interfering in US elections, considering that they’re just a well trained US overseas territory according to folks over at the .ml instances.

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      The most ethical instance in the world.

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      Liberal tries to strawman. ml but fails horribly.

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        The location of the period leaves me with no clue what you’re sayjng

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    Our greatest export: PODTOP

    Peaceful Orderly Democratic Transition of Power

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      God bless America

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        OR ELSE

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    Also also USA is the country who’s elections are most intervened in - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_electoral_interventions#United_States

    No interventions in any of China’s elections for some reason.

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    Sorry, op. I’m locking this post because the discussions are getting out of hand.

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