• spaghetti_hitchens@fedia.io
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    I mean Obama - an articulate black man - was legitimately reelected to a second term, whilst the Cheetoh in Chief was illegitimate based on the popular vote and failed reelction. That must burn him badly.

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      I agree. Just a heads up

      articulate black man

      is often considered a micro-aggression

      articulate [for a] black man

      especially when using the word “articulate.”

      I know that wasn’t your intent and I’m not “calling you out.”It’s just an FYI re: phrasing that easily summons a larger history of backhanded complements.

      Further reading on the subject, in case you’re interested:

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        When the color of their skin is otherwise irrelevant, I get you, but in this instance I think it’s relevant because Trump seems like a racist idiot. It’s salt upon injury, not because a rare black man who happens to be articulate owned him, but because a rare articulate man who happens to be black did. The point is the same, but the latter doesn’t perpetuate racism. Context matters.

        Maybe I’m too naive, but that’s how I interpreted OP’s comment.

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          I hear you. To be clear I wasn’t accusing the new user of ill-intent, certainly not of racism, or even implicit bias. As you said, Obama is commonly regarded as a world-class orator, so it’s just true, and also would bother the tangerine palpatine who speaks in crayon.

          It is merely insensitive, and likely due to a lack of awareness, which is why throwing a flag right away is preferred, especially in a forum where black people are less well represented (for now).

          As to why it is insensitive: while it’s usually meant as a compliment, noting that a black person is well-spoken — especially when using the word “articulate” — happens to summon a long history of people being surprised that black people can speak so well. And while this example of racial insensitivity isn’t as well-known in popular culture as, say, blackface, it is not at all obscure. The links I posted above are a tiny sample of the articles, books, and memes pertaining to the subject.

          In other words, simply using the phrase “articulate black man” unironically is enough to strongly suggest the author is oblivious to the fact. And judging by all the downvotes on my comment (and now throughout my comment history lol) I’m guessing many others in this forum are oblivious to it as well.

          So I threw a flag, partly to make the user aware of the insensitivity, partly because I suspected many others in this forum might be similarly unaware, but mainly because I’d prefer this place be welcoming to everyone.

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        “They sound articulate” is the white origin of “you sound white” for black people who’ve internalized that horrid take.

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          Right and it’s just code switching. People of all races do it without thinking. The dominant strain of English in the US can sound “white” to urban poc, “academic” to rural white people, or “yank” to white people abroad. It’s only loosely associated with aggregate identities.

          Here in NYC, at least in my neighborhood, code switching is constant and routine.

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          So what do you do with inarticulate old white men who are successful despite themselves due to old white man privelege?

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        is a tired old micro-aggression.

        And damning with faint praise. Obama remains the greatest orator of this century.

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          Agreed. I do miss having an especially thoughtful and couth figurehead representing us on the world stage, just someone we could generally be proud of.

          Of course that feeling was especially pronounced when the following act was and is a global embarrassment and weirdly consummate avatar for all our worst qualities.

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    Just something about Obama that uniquely gets under his skin, and I love to see it.

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    If we could get the Obamas to insult him 2x a week, he might have a cardiac event already and go the fuck away! Just a thought.

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    LOL, “your president”. Yeah, he was only ever president to a small section of the country. And they still insist on calling DonOLD “President Trump”.

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      You mean the weird, felon/rapist DonOLD, that one? The guy who lies so fast that the media gives up on fact checking him? The fat old fart who wears diapers, lifts in his shoes, orange makeup, implanted hair and stick on eyebrows? The bone spurs draft dodger coward who insults and disparages military veterans - that one?

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    Keep insulting him, it keeps him completely off topic, and when his handlers make him “stay on policy” is he low energy and whines about it the whole time.

    The Democrats entire strategy should be to keep trump pissed so he can’t focus.

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    I havent seen the Huffington Post website in years. Clicked on this to see the video. About 20 seconds of the video, 30 seconds of ads, another 20 second clip. More ads.

    At least the article isnt paywalled. Ill give them that.

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    I just don’t care about this framing. I want him to fail in all his political endeavors, I think he would be particularly dangerous if re-elected, and also, I never met the guy and I don’t care if he has a certain feeling or another. He’s personally pissed off? Ok, fine. I don’t care.

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    The little poll is overwhelmingly in favor of making personal attacks on Obama because all Trumpanzees are racists who want to see a schoolyard bully mock the people they hate. They don’t care about policy.