oh, you don’t think the bible is real? let me throw some bible verses at you, that’ll change your mind
This was one of my issues when I was a Christian. There is no external authority that the Bible was the inherent word of God and no way to ensure that the words within it were transcribed or even translated within the Authority of God.
There is a whole study of Bible hermeneutics that is about finding authority within the Bible.
You know how in the show Community Abed was always trying to meta the show? Imagine that, but really not funny and it’s taken seriously.
Another problem with Bible (and other similar books) is that it doesn’t make sense that omnipotent god would communicate to humans trough vague book that would have many different interpretations and possibly have it’s meaning changed a bit with translations to different languages. At least there are Christians who accept that events from Bible never happened.
Actually was the straw that broke the back for me
transcribed or even translated within the Authority of God.
on that topic, in case you haven’t seen it, i recommend biblical scholar bart ehrman’s presentation on problems with the bible.
His Misquoting Jesus podcast is fantastic. Definitely listen if you enjoy Ehrman.
the Bible is real. like you can go buy it at Walmart.
Am I allowed to throw all of the Bible verses at someone? Like at the same time.
Legally or physically allowed?
What if I say “heads up” while fastballing that bad boy? Then say oops right after
Only if it’s shrink wrapped, I’d imagine.
or harry potter. if you’re throwing books at people, it probably doesn’t matter what the books are.
book clubCult. It’s a cult.
The bible is real. And very useful, to roll blunts with in a pinch.
They knew what they were doing with those super thin pages. 😉
Yes, folks who don’t read Bible don’t realize how much bible says about money, trade and economy. Proverbs book is my favorite, the deuteronomy book I leave for older brothers in fath ( kidding :-) )
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It’s more:
- a man sees something he doesn’t understand. He makes up a story to explain it.
- The story is shared among a tribe for generations, occasionally a skilled storyteller improves it
- Eventually writing is invented, the story at some point is written down, maybe improved one more time as it’s put to paper
- It’s copied over generations, occasionally improved by good writer, it is adjusted and added to a collection of stories about God and his prophets and miracles
Even had the writers wanted to fact check the stories, they couldn’t, they had spent too long in oral transmission.
Even the new testament wasn’t written by the people who were there at the time, it was more like telling the stories that your grandfather heard from his grandfather
People are pretty prone to improving stories they tell, they make them flow better, they make people’s motives clear when really they were hidden
Add to this tons of translations to different languages, not to mention different versions of the book in the same language. So it’s a massive buffet where anybody can pick whatever suits their taste.
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To put a finer point on it, your understanding of the author’s understanding of the thing in this instance is a third Venn circle without much overlap to those first two. 🤌🏾
“the thing” itself is (and should be) missing from the diagram.
Also, many retellings of the thing in different languages with different understandings and intentions over many centuries.
I’ve also read The book of the damned by Charles Fort.
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One of the most frustrating things of dealing with bible people is when the request for proof comes up. They just point at the Bible. Like it’s some text that has deep references to verifiable and cross referenced historical fact. Like Pontious Pilate’s administration leaving records of some guy doing magic on the regular, him getting in fights with rich people, or even just a criminal docket of hanging a magical guy.
Nope. They just point at their book as proof of itself.
I only care insomuch as stupid people use it as a guide for repression.
Hail, Satan.
Ok, boomer. 🤣
Oh, yeah… I must be a boomer because I think worshipping a make believe deity is stupid. Makes perfect sense.
All of them are make believe. Put down the cane and sit down, FFS. You’re gonna miss Wheel Of Fortune.
Hail seitan!
I’ve a story about that, but I’m about to crash out. I’ll edit tomorrow 🤘🏽
Can’t tell if Atheist or American Christian
Swoon lol
Glad I’m not the only one… She is extremely attractive
And her opinion on the sign only adds to it.
Haha that’s the part that made me swoon. She’s beautiful, but her ideas are what took me off my feet lol.
I would listen, rapt and locked in.
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That’s not very Satanic, friendo.
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The paradox of tolerance at its finest.
Aw, you kiss your mother with that tongue, sweetums?
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The Temple of Satan =/= Church of Satan, but thanks for trying.
It’s a good idea to double check what one’s reading before replying, in the future. 🤗🤪
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Schizophrenic, Bronze Age, fan fiction has a lot to answer for.
So is new atheism back?
Amen!
No.
Ramen!
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Oh, and that’s what the other side is pursuing - a serious discussion?
Spare us. The other side is out for blood. No discussion is detailed in Project 2025.
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Yes.
Is US politics not related to this post? I mean, in any way?
If we swap the word “bible” for “lawbook” does your opinion change?
If we had it all active laws in one book, that would be a huge step in the right direction.
Agreed. “Ignorance of the law is not an excuse” is currently impossible to correct.
Then why did you do it?
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Ironic. 🤣🖕🏽
She forgot to address them as “you bitches”.
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So if you ignore all the bad stuff, it’s full of good stuff? Brilliant!
Do you realize that there has been a great wealth of ethical discussion in the 1700 years since the Bible was compiled?
And you’re seriously going to tell me that the BIBLE, which condones genocide, slavery, the murder of homosexuals, etc, is more moral or ethical than ANYTHING that has been compiled in that time? Half of the Bible was written by litteral genocidal warmongers.
You could put two random children’s books together, and it would be a far superior compilation of morals than the Bible.
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“not that part, this part”
Written*
The canonical gospels, where thought crime is first introduced into the religion? Where the founder of the religion declares that everyone who doesn’t agree with him is doomed to eternal torture? Are you sure that’s an argument you want to make?
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I’ve read them, and I used to preach from them. When you read them critically rather than reverentially, Jesus was a dick.
Would you like to see some examples?
This feels like satire, and that’s saying a lot
In my opinion, people who don’t need the threat of eternal damnation to be “good” people have better morals because they aren’t motivated by anything other than just not being a piece of shit. They’re naturally good people
You’re telling me if someone has the urge to murder, but this fairy tale sky daddy is telling them they’ll be in eternal pain for doing so, that they’re morally better than someone who doesn’t have the urge to murder? “I would love to kill someone but I’m a selfish evil asshole and I myself don’t want to be in pain so I won’t kill this person, not out of empathy, but out of selfishness”
You gotta be trolling
My problem with what you said comes entirely from my personal experience. Most of the worst people I’ve come across in life have been theological Christians. Atheists tend to be bound by their own ethics, which I’ve found to be far more powerful than someone telling you how to behave.
I think it’s less the community and more the complete lack of logic based on what the text is their holy book says. If you use the Bible as a moral code, you are a horrible person
Exactly, I murder and rape as much as I want. Which is zero. Because I’m not fucked up.
If the only thing stopping me from doing stuff like that is the words in an old book… There may be another problem there.
Whaaaaat? You saying I should have charged an extra goat for my 12 year old daughter?!?
So then explain to me why it was ok for God to order his followers to destroy the Tower of Babel and slaughter those building it? I believe God’s logic was, “If they complete this tower, it’ll show the world they don’t need me, and we can’t have that.”
How exactly was that ethical? Or should we discuss being allowed to beat your slave, so long as they don’t die within three days, you haven’t commited murder because they are your property? Is that the ethics and morality you’re speaking of?
Or maybe it’s the “an eye for an eye” part, where revenge is completely justified? I believe it took a Hindu nationalist to add “makes the world blind” to actually make that statement ethical.
Or maybe you’re trying to discuss one of the many, many instances of rape that occurs in the bible, but it’s completely justified and ethical because God said so?
Personally, if you base your morals and ethics off of the Bible, you’re a piece of shit who justifies their immoral behavior using an outdated text as some kind of shield because you think, so long as you repent riiiiiiiiight before you eat the big one, you’re good. 🙄
This user, instead of thinking critically about his views after so many users present evidence against his claims, moans that he “didn’t realize what community [they] commented on”. Not attempting to interact with or even counter the information and arguments presented, he simply ignores it because his beliefs cannot hold against consideration and reason.
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So do you have a copy of the comment…?
I have no idea why anyone would come here and think it’s okay to defend any religion.
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