As a stay at home Dad, I also find time to cook and play basketball in the local rec League. I personally think women should leave all that stuff to men and get back to work.

And transphobic selfrightious “feminists” like Rowling fell right into that trap. Bravo, you played yourself.

I think the transphobic trend inherited a lot of its energy from the anti-gay currents I watched my entire life, and which largely had the breath kicked out of them when gay marriage became recognized around the country.

Not all of the anti-gay current was about policing women’s bodies. Thats in there. But it’s also about what they call deviance. They have strict roles for people and you can’t keep anyone focused on their strict roles when anyone has absolute freedom to flout them. I don’t even think they care what trans and gay people are doing in other places. They care about their own authority to command their children how to be, and they think this authority is undermined if anyone out there can live a happy life in defiance of it.

That includes policing women’s bodies but is not limited to it. Things like making sure your sons have short haircuts and work hard at practicing sports are in there too. It’s about policing people generally. Blows my mind how they think the Left are waging a culture war when all we are doing is busting out of the cages they try to keep everyone in.

Do they also do Olympic penis inspection day for the make athletes?

the olympic genital inspector seems like a job for weirdos (deragatory)

Also, the body that DQed her in 2023 apparently ONLY found out “she was trans” (which she isn’t) after she had fought 9 other matches under the same federation, with testing before each one - her defeating a Russian boxer and immediately being DQed after that match, while fighting under the auspices of a Russian boxing federation, is totally coincidence, I’m sure.

The more I think of it, it’s just an insoluble problem. Sex is not black and white. It is legitimately complicated, biologically. Yet if we don’t segregate sports, men will very broadly dominate women. All I can think is that every sport is going to need weight classes and possible hormone level classes within which people can compete. There’s a basic desire to measure skill, not just biological gifts. But that is obviously not going to work for swimming or whatever where skill is more of a prerequisite than a differentiator. I really couldn’t give a fuck about competitive sports and I’m glad because wow it’s going to be hard to keep doing.

The determination of who may compete in limited-class sports must be made by rules.

It’s not a matter of who you or I think is a woman who qualifies. Only the governing body of that sport makes that determination.

Do we need a protected class? If yes, there must be standards and those standards must be either endocrine or genetic or both. Yes they should be tested. Anyone failing the protected class can compete in the open class. It’s really that simple.

YY is also a thing I believe

Black and white is how both sides see it, but coming from different directions. Neither are willing to admit that there are nuances in anything.

I feel I’m gonna regret asking but what, pray tell, is the “fundie baby voice” you speak of?

By already disqualified IBA which was disqualified for corruption and pro Russia slant.

They claim they have evidence, but never provide it, they disqualified her after she beat a Russian boxer. Why didn’t they disqualify her earlier fight after she won against the Nigerian (IIRC) boxer.

Not to mention 9 fights she lost to other women.

She was suspended for naturally high testosterone levels by the IBA, a governing body that has since itself been suspended and had it’s recognition revoked due to corruption scandals. (Imagine what it takes for the famously corrupt IOC to say, “No, that’s too corrupt.”) No matter how you want to define gender, biological sex, identity, etc., she’s a woman. She’s just a freak athlete and that’s what the Olympics are about. No one would be all up in arms if her hands had a naturally high score on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness. You’d put on your gloves and catch her topaz-hard hands.

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Can you explain a bit more? I just finished the article and I came to the opposite conclusion.

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This is not a trans issue, she’s a cis woman

And put the cis women that they’re harassing in it??

Be it by birth, by hormones or whatever, he/she does not qualify as a woman. That’s a fact.

Khelif has been allowed to compete in female boxing by the IOC under their parameters, and by various other tournaments in the past.

That’s also the reason why the opponent of this particular fight, resisted to bump gloves after the fight, which is usually performed, out of rejection for that unfair fight.

This is not the explanation that Angela Carini gave to the public when interviewed. She said that she was overwhelmed by the fight, which she ended by retiring after 46 seconds, and could not think straight. She apologised for it. You are putting words in her mouth.

And history has shown Khelif was NOT allowed to fight agains other female atheltes in the past.

Khelif has took part in female boxing for the majority of her life.

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Banned governing body that’s fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history

It was hard not to copy and paste the whole article, I did my best to pull excerpts and bold important portions.

Summary- Long story short, the disqualifications were done in a tournament run by an organization banned by the Olympics. Both boxers participated in tournaments run by this organization with no issues for the last several years. The organization hasn’t said why they were disqualified. The man saying the weird trans woman claims is the leader of the organization. He’s a friend of Putin and described as a drug trafficker. The disqualification for Khelif happened after she beat the previously undefeated Russian boxer Amineva 3 days post fight.

Strangely, nobody who’s up in arms about the weird claim has looked into who made it, when, the context around it, or an explanation for it. They just ate it up.

Nearly 17 months ago in New Delhi, Algerian boxer Imane Khelif was disqualified from the International Boxing Association’s world championships three days after she won an early-round bout with Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian prospect.

The disqualification meant Amineva’s official record was perfect again.

The governing body claimed the fighters had failed unspecified eligibility tests

The BA’s decision last year — and its curious timing, particularly related to Amineva’s loss to Khelif — would have raised warning signs around the sports world if more people cared about amateur boxing, or even knew more about the IBA under president Umar Kremlev of Russia.

The entire boxing world has already learned to expect almost anything from the Russian-dominated governing body that was given the unprecedented punishment of being permanently banned from the Olympics last year. In fact, it hasn’t run an Olympic boxing tournament since the Rio de Janeiro Games in 2016.

The International Olympic Committee has decades of mostly bad history with the beleaguered governing body previously known for decades as AIBA, and it has exasperatedly begged non-boxing people to pay attention to the sole source of the allegations against Khelif and Lin.

The IOC had stuck with the previous incarnation of boxing’s governing body through decades of judging scandals, bizarre leadership decisions and innumerable financial misdeeds while it presided over Olympic boxing tournaments.

Not until 2019, nearly two years after the organization elected a president with what U.S. officials call deep ties to Russian organized crime and heroin trafficking, did the IOC finally banish the perpetually troubled group.

The IOC permanently stripped the IBA’s Olympic credentials and ran the past two Olympic boxing tournaments with a task force.

Kremlev also has made additional allegations about the gender of both fighters without providing proof, and people across the world have accepted his word.

So much is unclear about the IBA’s decision to ban Khelif and Lin last year, particularly since both had competed in IBA events for years without problems.

It’s even possible the decision was actually made according to the results of legitimate tests conducted over two years, as the IBA says — but the IBA has refused to officially say what, when or where these tests were administered, who evaluated them, or what the results meant.

The IOC has said boxing will be dropped from the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics unless the sport lines up behind a new governing body