Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn’t to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
So even though she might have been born with a vagina, one that essentially works like any biologically female vagina, you think she should be forced to fight men because she has a Y chromosome?
Are there any other times where people should be genetically tested and given something different to do if it turns out they have Swyer Syndrome?
Yes. Also, I don’t care about her vagina. That’s not the point. The point is that having a Y chromosome likely means her body has experienced heightened testosterone her whole life, which makes her much more physically capable than a normal woman whose body would not have experienced heightened testosterone levels. That basically means it’s unsafe for her more normal competitors to get in the ring against her, same as it would be to put her up against Hafthor Björnsson.
All Olympic athletes should be genetically tested for these things, so they can compete in the right class/heat/category.
you do know why the presence of a Y chromosome is typically correlated with higher testosterone levels, right?
there is a protein called SRY whose presence causes the gonads develop as testes (which produce tetosterone).
In individuals with Swyer’s syndrome, however, the SRY protein is absent, and so the gonads develop as nonfunctioning ovaries.
Ergo, the claim that a person with Swyer’s syndrome “experience[s] heightened testosterone” is false, because people with swyer’s syndrome have ovaries, not testicles. In fact they are typically prescribed similar hormone therapy to trans women, because left untreated they would have hormone levels comparable to prepubescent children, not “elevated levels of testosterone”.
Please at least take the two seconds to google what you’re even talking about before using it as a fig leaf for your own misogyny and transphobia, thanks.
Why does there need to be a global rule for all sports? Just let all the sports associates decide for themselves, case by case. It’s not a big issue and doesn’t deserve international news coverage.
IMO there should be two categories:
Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn’t to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.
I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very “masculine” features for a woman.
It’s irrelevant whether she knew or not. Once it is known, she needs to be moved to a different league/class.
So even though she might have been born with a vagina, one that essentially works like any biologically female vagina, you think she should be forced to fight men because she has a Y chromosome?
Are there any other times where people should be genetically tested and given something different to do if it turns out they have Swyer Syndrome?
Yes. Also, I don’t care about her vagina. That’s not the point. The point is that having a Y chromosome likely means her body has experienced heightened testosterone her whole life, which makes her much more physically capable than a normal woman whose body would not have experienced heightened testosterone levels. That basically means it’s unsafe for her more normal competitors to get in the ring against her, same as it would be to put her up against Hafthor Björnsson.
All Olympic athletes should be genetically tested for these things, so they can compete in the right class/heat/category.
Cool. Thanks for letting me know you don’t belong here. We do not allow ableist bigotry.
you do know why the presence of a Y chromosome is typically correlated with higher testosterone levels, right?
there is a protein called SRY whose presence causes the gonads develop as testes (which produce tetosterone).
In individuals with Swyer’s syndrome, however, the SRY protein is absent, and so the gonads develop as nonfunctioning ovaries.
Ergo, the claim that a person with Swyer’s syndrome “experience[s] heightened testosterone” is false, because people with swyer’s syndrome have ovaries, not testicles. In fact they are typically prescribed similar hormone therapy to trans women, because left untreated they would have hormone levels comparable to prepubescent children, not “elevated levels of testosterone”.
Please at least take the two seconds to google what you’re even talking about before using it as a fig leaf for your own misogyny and transphobia, thanks.
Why does there need to be a global rule for all sports? Just let all the sports associates decide for themselves, case by case. It’s not a big issue and doesn’t deserve international news coverage.