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I find it kinda funny Sony tried so hard to own the standard so many times thought they eventually got it but then the Internet made it irrelavent almost instantly.
I don’t like Sony.
Am with you. Their midrange phones still have headphone jacks, though. I like that.
Yeah their phones do generally still do things like microsds etc which is very nice I also like the psp but I’ve bought so many Sony products that develop weird faults straight after the warranty and the fact they alway push propriety cards etc.
Its a weird company where divisions seem to actively sabotage each other I just don’t trust them at all.
I’ve never had a need to burn a blu-ray. When bd-r’s hit the scene with their obscenely priced recording drives, it was only maybe a year or two before flash memory had already become cheap and fast enough that any volume of data large enough to justify a BD was better served on a 16/32gb thumbdrive unless it needed to be distributed in volume, and I’ve never needed to make enough identical copies of something to justify the $200-$300 that the first drives cost.
It sucks losing an option but I actually doubt most anyone will notice. 3rd party manufacturers will keep making disc’s for a while anyway, Sony is far from the only company doing this technology.
I use archival blurays for cheap, deep storage for decade plus usage, not something I’d trust to flash memory or even a hard drive. Tape is an option of course but that’s pricey.
Don’t fret, Verbatim will still be making recordable BD-Rs. However, this will mean that there will be no more 128GB BD-Rs, we’ll be stuck with only 100GB BD-Rs (Sony is the only company that makes 128GB Blu-rays).
I recently ordered a pack of 128GBs from Japan. I’d recommend you do the same, because the prices are gonna skyrocket.
May I ask what uses you have for them?
Backing up personal data, mostly stuff from my childhood that is irreplacable. Sure, I could just put them on a HDD, but then I’d have to replace it every 5-10 years. Data stored on Blu-ray can last a long time.
Data on hard drives also generally lasts a long time. Much longer than 5-10 years.
And make sure you’re constantly monitoring those discs, disc rot is very much a thing for all optical medica.
MDiscs are ISO rated for hundreds to thousands of years.
https://www.ecma-international.org/wp-content/uploads/ECMA-379_3rd_edition_june_2010.pdf
Rated for, but that doesn’t mean they’re all actually manufactured to that standard.
CDs were rated for like 50+ years originally I think. We found out real quick that was an optimistic number, especially when you buy the cheapest thing around.
ISO certification does require a bit more effort than just the bare minimum necessary to legally advertise specific claims about a product.
That doesn’t mean all M-Disc manufacturing is immune to shitty business practices of a manufacturer, but they do have to meet certain manufacturing specifications.
The international organization for standardization has rated them for archival use in the hundreds of years. This is not a maybe and the Wikipedia page/link I shared above goes over the testing methodology
“Archival use” means a commercial climate controlled environment. Not a plastic tub in your basement or garage.
Assuming the drive spins back up after being left in a cupboard for 15 years, if you’re still even able to find a computer compatible with whatever cables it used back then. But yeah.
Whose to say you’d have a computer compatible with the disc and the drive in 15 years?
And even if the platters are irreparably stuck you could go to a data recovery service and still pull the files off that way.
If proper SATA ever goes away, I’d wager that there will still be SATA-to-USB adapters on sale. Heck, people still find ways to connect floppy drives to their modern PCs.
The 128GB blurays have always been very expensive. The smaller discs are cheaper per GB.
For the price of 128GB BD-Rs you would probably benefit from buying an LTO-5+ drive.
I wish I could afford an LTO-9 drive, but $5K is a bit steep. $90 per 45TB for media is phenomenal though.
Will this mean PS5 games in coming years would come in two disks?
Update: never mind they were always using 100 gb
Bluray disk cost 25$ for 50gb and usb flash drive cost 5$ for 64gb
The 25GB disks are like 10¢.
Where? I see only 30$ for 5pack of 25gb bd-r
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004217228740.html true, now that you’ve showed me example, on Amazon it’s cheaper, i just didn’t bought Blu-ray disks before and this is what I’ve seen from advertisements
I’m not sure what country you’re in, but have you tried Amazon? I found Verbatim 50 packs of 25GB for $40 and Ridata (usually good quality discs) for $28. If you want small amounts there’s various 5 packs for less than $10.
Damn, a 50gb blu ray costs 2€ in my country.
for 35€ you can get 512gb flash drive. kinda insane to think about that. maybe even cheaper but that was just what I found from my local store
Yes, flash memory came a very long way, when current nodes of 3nm going to be old enough for mass producing growth memory, there’s gonna be 5tb microsd cards probably, since we’re already having 2tb ones https://www.tomsguide.com/news/the-worlds-first-2tb-microsd-card-is-here-what-you-need-to-know
the storage density growth is so mindboggling that I find myself hesitant to trust it lol. 2tb?
fuck me running
It’s getting harder and harder to make things smaller, but they are making things thinner now, which means they can layer them, thus increasing density.
How can I afford to buy Criterion Collection Blu-Rays for $14.99 if blu-ray discs cost $25?
Economy of scale and also slightly different, but related, media format. Criterion has them printed in bulk.
Yeah ok, but as we’ve established in this thread, Blu Ray discs don’t cost $25 a piece. At any level. So.
Again, writable Blu-ray is a slightly different format from what you would buy with a movie on it. They are not putting Criterion movies on the same discs you could burn them to in a drive.
That’s read-only, not read/write, plus they’re buying bulk.
It’s okay, in 75 years Japan’s government will still be keeping them alive. That’s why you can still buy floppy discs on Amazon.
Japan just gave up the floppy (officially), but there will still be other legacy users.
Until VERY recently the US nuclear arsenal required 8" floppies. Disks that went out of favor in the early 70s because they can only spin for a few hours before they start to corrupt.
The one that most blew my mind was that my local Walmart only stopped selling blank BetaMax tapes in the mid 00’s. By the time the store was built they weren’t even selling movies on VHS anymore, but the blanks were still worthy of limited shelf space.
Are you sure they were BetaMax and not Betacam SP? Beta SP (as it’s more commonly known) is a high quality format that was still being used by TV stations when I was working them as late as the 2010s. There were a few other later much higher quality formats like ED-Beta.
Also, I believe some camcorders also used Beta formats.
I’m sure camcorders were the reason. But no, they were BetaMax.
Nonsense. Plenty of American businesses still rely on them too.
I still use floppy disks from time to time. There are several USB floppy drives in my shop at work for when the network has issues and we have problems posting G Code to our mills.
Can you elaborate on this American businesses requiring floppy disks?
“Required” might not be the right word, but here’s an article about how the San Fransico Trains are updated via floppies - https://www.wired.com/story/san-francisco-muni-trains-floppy-disks/
In the US at least it’s not about required, but more legacy support. There are still a lot of old systems that work, but use old technology.
Shits crazy I can still buy compact flash cards, and zip cards
I sort of understand still selling CF cards. They were used in high end photo and video equipment until not too long ago, and they have storage space comparable with smaller SD cards and USB drives. Plenty of equipment using CF is still perfectly good and still worth using.
I’ve never heard of a zip card. If you mean the old zip disks (I think the largest was 250MB or so), I can’t imagine any reason someone would ever use one of these. Even new, zip drives were notoriously unreliable and not all that widespread. I had one, and I rarely used it in favor of CD-R or RW.
CF is still used in high-end DSLRs. Like, it’s still the “premium” storage option.
CD burning is still kinda useful for hifi. I wouldn’t use it for data these days.
Iomega ZIP disks. Those things just clicked all day.
Zip disk sounds right I saw one working on a machine when I had to reinstall windows NT off of 3 floppy’s. Then had to replace the hard drive with a compact flash cause I needed it to be 4gb to recognize. Lotta niche things that are still around that work perfectly well if 30 years out of date
I have a BluRay drive capable of burning but I’ve never needed it for that. I’ve been mostly using it for my ancient cd collection.
This is just blank writable discs, movies and TV shows on bluray will continue to be produced… for now.
As long as there are people for whom streaming compression isn’t acceptable, there’ll be a market for Bluray movies/TV shows.
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I really wish there was a viable alternative for physical backups. Blu-ray just doesn’t have enough storage space, tape is expensive, and hard drives need to be periodically read.
I’ve read about holographic WORM media, but I just don’t think there’s enough consumer demand for the hardware and media to ever be as affordable as blu-ray.
Once upon a time, I could back up all my important data to a stack of DVD-Rs. How am I supposed to back up a 100TB NAS, though? The “best” alternative is to build a second NAS for backup, but that’s approaching tape drive levels of cost.
Checkout AWS S3 “Deep Glacier Archive”. It’s perfect for data you only “read” in recovery events, since you have to wait up to 12 hours to retrieve the data. I backup my Plex this way.
I just double my HDDs and put them in RAID1. Not foolproof against data loss, but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if I lost my Plex library. For important docs I add a cloud backup.
Me, with a 200 Terrabyte usb drive, wondering why this is an issue.
A 200TB USB drive doesn’t exist. What are you talking about?
Not going to put words in OP’s mouth, and it’s entirely possible they’re either exaggerating, talking about a RAID array, or richer than God,
but the only place I know of to buy flash drives that big is Wish.com
whoooooooosh
I use BD-R for archival storage of important files. They’re cheaper and easier than tape as well as small. I burn them in triplicate and throw them in the same case and as long as the same 3 bits don’t corrupt I can recover. The shelf life on a blue ray sealed and stored well is a few decades which is better than most other media.
Where are you buying your Blu-rays? Every time I’ve looked into burnable BD-Rs they’ve been more expensive per gigabyte than a 3.5" SATA hard drive (which has the bonus of better data longevity and being rewritable).
I understand that from a business perspective, but I’m having a hard time rationalizing it for personal use.
I guess, if you’re doing a lot of video editing and you want to preserve a large personal library? Idk.
It’s mostly family photos and videos. I’ve become the de facto family digital archivist. Some digital copies of important phyiscal records. When you convert files to lossless/uncompressed formats suitable for long term storage they get large really quickly.
How often do you lend your drives to your friends? A cheap way to send big files without internet connection was paramount for sharing information.
Very rarely. I tend to have shared text or Excel files to actively share and work on. Nothing in the hundreds of gigs.
25GB and 50GB disks written at blistering 10MB/s in the age of 100MB/s Gigabit Internet connected to storage (S3, Backblaze, etc. etc.) means that networks have completely obsoleted Blu Rays.
I’m surprised they still found a use of these things. Flash drives are also so much cheaper, faster, and more convenient.
I know for some secure purposes they still use CDs because they’re a lot harder to sneak around than a flash drive. There are still some uses, but they’re very niche. There’s essentially zero purpose for personal use.
One TB capacity in a sd micro flash disk equivalent to twenty Blu-ray discs at 50GB, just no comparison in the growth of technology.
Good. Flash storage is everywhere now. Why go through an extra layer of proprietary hardware and DRM when you can have direct access to the video files which can be read on any platform?
The DRM is extra awful with bluray, its usefullness is dipressingly lmited. Being propriatary makes it worthless as an archive medium.
RIP
No no, these are for burning.
Is this just Sony’s own production of consumer writable Blu-ray discs, or is it like, Sony preventing other manufactures from producing them as well?
It’s just consumer writeable. Blu-ray movies will be fine, and other companies will be manufacturing consumer writeable Blu-rays as well.
I mean, as long as there is a hard copy archive option out there this is ok (cloud is already flirting with copyblight).
At least they’re not enforcing Memory Stick on us again.
