I’m talking about this sort of thing. Like clearly I wouldn’t want someone to see that on my phone in the office or when I’m sat on a bus.
However there seems be a lot of these that aren’t filtered out by nsfw settings, when a similar picture of a woman would be, so it seems this is a deliberate feature I might not be understanding.
Discuss.
As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I’ve blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn’t applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.
I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.
But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.
I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.
But, to me, it’s just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
!anime@ani.social mostly posts key visuals and posters, episodes discussions, and news. Stuff you’d see in public.
The actual fanart side of things tends to stick to !anime_art@ani.social and !animepics@reddthat.com
Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic… It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I’ll agree, there’s no nudity… I would get in trouble. I’ve left some chatroom due to this… People just don’t understand that I don’t care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it
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But when you suggest that it becomes a whole HR issue.
I prefer to frame it as an HR opportunity
I don’t understand the issue. Wouldn’t it be solved by the exact same solution?
As much as I like looking at pictures of anime girls I think they should be marked as NSFW if they are barely clothed.
I think if you wouldn’t use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that’s NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.
I feel like the Internet needs more tags:
- Explicit (rude language, nudity, etc)
- Porn (nsfw legacy tag)
- Violence
- Not safe for life
Something like that.
These aren’t even enough.
The tag for this particular problem would be something like “mildly suggestive” because it’s literally just skin that some people don’t want to see.
Yeah, I agree. I do sort of understand op’s consternation. I don’t browse Lemmy on my work PC, but sometimes on lunch or in public I pull it up on my phone on All communities and I’m suddenly conscious that everyone beside me can see the “sfw” furry and anime art that I scroll past.
However, that’s kinda my fault. I don’t want to ban those communities because I like that stuff. It’s just a little odd that we call it sfw when, to be honest, I have a hard time picturing most work places where I live happy to see that on my desktop.
I wonder if Lemmy could easily do content warnings like on Mastodon. I don’t know if it’s part of the ActivityPub spec but it’s definitely a thing that’s been implemented elsewhere.
The answer to “is it part of the activityPub spec?” is more often than not a strong No.
I’ve seen sites that have something similar, including a “suggestive” tag for pics like OP’s.
Yeah, that would be great. Many instance admins already use CSAM classifier models on all incoming images. It’d be great if they could add additional models that could put meta tags on images automatically like “suggestive” and “gore” with the option for the poster to modify the tags just in case it was a false negative or positive. Like a lasagna getting gore, for example.
I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.
I’m a fan of how e621 does things:
rating:s (safe)
rating:q (questionable)
rating:e (explicit,)
But I would add another:
rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)
Call it “purity” and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).
Moreover I don’t think these need to be on a single scale. Like, trauma isn’t “more” than pornographic, it’s just something completely different (ideally).
There can be a scale of safe to unsafe for a variety of reasons, and people might be able to filter what they see more proactively based on their own tolerances (and interests).
But then again complexity can be a deterrence. Tagging and cataloging can be a big content management problem and I think most want to do the simplest thing possible.
But maybe content advisory could be a crowd sourced effort, using a up/down ranking on explicit categories just like we can do on posts.
Makes sense to me.
There is https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 but lemmy devs aren’t responding for months.
I 100% would not want an image like that to pop up in front of a coworker. I’m on board with you, OP.
I just want posts or communities to have category tags for me to block by tag. So I can block all anime and every non-English community.
I have nothing against them. They’re just not of interest to me and I don’t want them on my feed. Blocking a community is mostly useless because there are so many of them it’s like playing whack a mole.
I completely agree… Most of my block list are ‘moe’ communities, and it is only getting longer
There is a proposal to add Tags but devs aren’t really responding. https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4
Yes.
The tag is Not Safe For Work. I’d say that if you were to look at this in most work places you’d probably be speaking to HR within the hour…
Yes. 100%
I wish there was strictly an amine tag so I could filter all that shit out like you can with nsfw. Blocked countless weirdass communities that randomly popup.
These are a few ways to get rid of them:
He’s proud!
Legend.
There is a proposal to add Tags but devs aren’t really moving it forward. https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4
Why do these anime girls always look like they’re in their teens? Extremely creepy.
Because the target audience is usually teens.
I recently discovered Korean manga.
A lot of comics and protagonists are college age or in their 20s, compared to Japan’s 10 yo saving the world.
The most optimistic explanation I have been able to arrive at is that they are less intimidating for fragile male egos. However, I concur wholeheartedly: Extremely creepy.
If the NSFW limit was put on “image of a woman wearing shorts and sports bra”, would you run to shut down the break room TV when they showed such obscene NSFW things like the Olympic games with their skimpy track and field and beach volleyball outfits? All of those communities would obviously need to be marked NSFW on Lemmy too.
And while NSFW indeed does come from the words “Not safe for work”, it isn’t “blur everything that wouldn’t be appropriate for my coworkers or boss to see me browse during work time”.
Getting caught watching episodes of My Little Pony would be pretty inappropriate and embarrassing during working hours as well.when they showed such obscene NSFW things like the Olympic games with their skimpy track and field and beach volleyball outfits?
You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of context
Did you look at the image?
She’s not being sexual or suggestive.
Good luck explaining that to HR or trying to come up with a non-creepy reason for viewing that on your computer at work.
Solution: Don’t look at Lemmy at work.
I don’t look at Facebook, use Google for non-work needs, and I don’t use social media.
I check my email but honestly I shouldn’t even do that.
I work in IT. They can see everything you type, everything on your screen, and can silently record video and audio. It’s not your computer, it’s theirs, and they are completely within their rights under the law.
My guy. Do I have to explain to how “I was reading about the olympics” is a whole other category than “I was looking at anime girls”? Maybe it shouldn’t be, but that’s not the world we live in.
Where do you draw the line?
The platform has its own governance.
Personally, I feel like social media at work is inappropriate.If you’re watching the Summer Olympics, and only watch the events where they’re scantily clad (and commonly underage), maybe not watch that at work either.
As far as the tag? If it’s not showing nipples, isn’t sexual in nature, or suggestive, I personally don’t see why it should unless you go back and puritanically apply the tag anything anyone could be offended. And at that point - what do we have left?
Look, I can’t control what people define as sexual. It is possible to block communities. Tailor it to fit your preferences. Heck why not make a second profile that is specific to when you’re not at work? And one that blocks out all but the news and wholesome content for work?
I don’t see why this should be a one-fits-all process. We’re trying that out right now, with the supreme court. (Assuming that you live in the US)
Honestly I lost track of what the original context was (irony) and was just mad that people are like “no, no, half naked anime girls are totally on the same level as Olympic athletes”
It’s up to the community what they want to mark as NSFW. I personally think stuff like the linked image are on the far side of NSFW.
Are you serious? She’s mostly naked. Look at the body language and facial expression.
And it’s just the woman in a void, unlike the Olympics where they’re people doing stuff.
If a smile and blushing is suggestive to you, I suggest that you never leave your house. Too many temptations out there my guy.
And if a bra and shorts qualifies as “mostly naked” then I suggest that you don’t leave your house between the months of May and October.
I see your other reply below, so I don’t know if this is before or after the other one (which is an honest take).
Eh I will admit there are places where wearing a bra in public is odd and sexual there are also places like Florida where women were bras out in grocery stores
And while NSFW indeed does come from the words “Not safe for work”, it isn’t “blur everything that wouldn’t be appropriate for my coworkers or boss to see me browse during work time”.
Why not??? That’s surely exactly what NSFW should mean.
Your “there’s no clear boundary between appropriate and inappropriate” is bogus. You could use the same argument to remove NSFW tagging altogether or allow CSM on the platform. It’s not a useful or sensible contribution.
Nudity, gore, violence - explicit materials. Stuff you wouldn’t be allowed to plaster on a giant billboards in the middle of the city or on the side of your office building or have run on daytime TV in the breakroom. If an image of a clothed female is NSFW then obviously a man wearing nothing but a towel in a shower is as well.
You start making a list of everything everyone takes offence into and finds inappropriate and you end up with a list with literally everything on it. Some people in this thread have used “If I couldn’t use it as a wallpaper at work, it should be NSFW”. Plenty of people would find this picture absolutely disgusting and inappropriate, so should it and everything like it be NSFW tagged as well?
That’s the same argument again. It claims that something is sometimes hard to do therefore should never be done. It claims that some people might disagree therefore no decision can be made. It’s fallacious.
Some people would get in trouble at work if they were caught browsing Lemmy. Period. Therefore every post, and the entire website, is NSFW.
You define it that broadly and it’s meaningless.
There’s a world of difference between “some people” and “most people” that you’re ignoring. Obviously the NSFW tag is useless to people who aren’t allowed on their phones in their break time, but that’s absolutely no reason to exclude scantily clad people from the not suitable for work tag.
I’ll go with, if you are browsing an Anime related channel, then that’s not to be NSFW’d.
When x-Posting, it would be NSFW.But I don’t use Lemmy or social media at the workplace anyway, so what would I know
Yes, they should be. For the same exact reason anything that is taboo but socially acceptable but definitely unprofessional should be. Real boobs, cartoon boobs, it doesn’t bother me at all but it makes me very much less likely to browse lemmy in a public setting. Setting morals completely aside, if you want this platform to thrive, you’ll have to be compassionate to the consumers of it, the user base. The community can definitely make this thing not usable if they want to. It’s about being practical.
That would be perfectly acceptable where I live and work. No nudity, no tits, no genitals, move along…
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not here, so any anime would raise eyebrows if seems browsing from my phone by others given I am definitely not a teen by large.
YMMV, but different cultures different sensibility.
Should Lemmy be a MCM or a MCD? I think this should be the question.
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not
Does anyone else find this creepy?
You find it creepy that most consumers of anime are teens?
I don’t get it?
