a) good for Barcelona
b) fuck airBNB
c) also, fuck airBNB
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Air BnB is destroying the housing market in my area. That said, it’s exposing a demand for something that doesn’t otherwise exist. In addition to hotels, people also want to be able to rent larger spaces, with a kitchen so they don’t have to eat out every night, and multiple bedrooms so the adults don’t have to go to bed at the same time as the kids. Hotel developers should be taking notes.
You’re completely correct on the exposed demand issue. I would also add that in most cities (in the United States anyway) hotels can only exist in very specific corners of the city due to zoning, often in just three places: downtown (expensive!), the suburbs (so not even in city limits), and “motel alley” (which is usually an old highway in askeevy part of town lined with mid-20th century fleabag accommodations that are slowly being abandoned/bulldozed). For some cities this isn’t an issue, but in others it’s a problem for accessing the tourist attractions, especially if the tourists in question don’t have a rental car. Then there are the non-tourist visitors to consider: if you’re in a city to visit family, you’re probably going to want to stay as close to them as possible. Same with a lot of business travelers. This is a bit of a conundrum when the nearest hotel (or affordable/decent hotel) is a 30 minute drive away.
It’s called an extended-stay hotel, they exist but unfortunately they’re not that common.
They are also, guess what, as expensive as a hotel. What was airbnb? Cheap. In the end it does come down to the money because it used to be a big difference between some apartments offered on airbnb vs hotels. Nowadays this got smaller, since airbnb raised fees and whatnot.
Tbh, tourism should be expensive. We should prioritize the basic needs of people such as a place to live before offering cheap luxuries.
I fully agree with the prioritization of meeting basic needs before luxury. The detail I would like see happen is making sure that people have a chance to see more than their own area at some point in their lives. See how other people live for a time. I do think there can be better connections for humanity when we can see the lives of others.
I took a trip with some college buddies. We went on a cruise and stopped in Nassau and some of them had some real shock seeing a city with not as much wealth. The just hadn’t considered that clean streets, sidewalks, and traffic lights didn’t exist everywhere.
airbnb isnt cheap tho, now a days it costs about as much as a hotel and they have way less amenities.
Yes. Thanks. Can you read again what I wrote? It was cheaper, nowadays not so much. But being cheaper was what made it big, because places with similar approach were as expensive as hotels.
Way less amenities, that depends on your definition. An entire beautiful house with multiple rooms and a pool and a kitchen, versus a hotel room. Just the fact that we can put the kids to bed in their own rooms is worth it. I can’t even think of amenities the hotels have that I don’t get at air bnbs.
Conversely, my partner and I don’t have kids so a small kitchen is really the only “bonus” an AirBNB can offer. We’re usually able to find hotel rooms with a small fridge and just stock-up on easy to store, fresh food to offset the cost of dining out. Given that they’re roughly the same price now we’ve been opting for more and more hotel rooms just for the consistency. At least in a hotel if there’s an issue they’ll quickly swap/upgrade the room just to avoid hassle.
candlewood suites, never had a bad experience.
I haven’t had any issue finding those amenities in hotels in Europe (at least in Berlin, Munich, Madrid, and Málaga, which is not an exhaustive study by any means). I’ve seen a few that look to be entire small apartment buildings converted into hotels, which isn’t great for the local housing market, but all the ones I’ve stayed at were clearly built for that purpose. So that’s the good news, I guess.
these are thing… there are hotels like that its not the most common but its not rare either.
You’re right, they’re not the most common, and they’re typically far more expensive.
Good, let the people who live there live there.
On one hand, biting that hand that feeds
On the other, I’ve lived in buildings with AirBnBs and they’re a scourge. The owners and renters of short term rental properties are mostly (not all) awful - residents should be owning property, not spoiled rich landlords eating up space for tourists. Fuck AirBnB.
I also visited Spain last month and I’ve never felt so unwelcomed in my life while in Barcelona and would never go back, so I guess the anti-tourism is working 😂
I can understand that locals are revolting around the world. The amount of tourism exploded in the last decades. The way tourists are behaving all around doesn’t help.
Barcelona is a diverse economic engine; it’s not a tourism monocrop town. It doesn’t need your patronage.
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I mean that goes for pretty much every major city, even the touristy ones.
Did you think I wouldn’t notice you creating alt account dvb@lemmy.world today for the express purpose of following me around and downvoting? I guess I really hit a nerve. How embarrassingly petty.
AirBNB pisses me off, because if you’re claiming to be a BNB, then where is my breakfast?
It’s like the Holy Roman Empire. It’s not an airline, nor is it a bed and breakfast.
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in huge blow for platforms like Airbnb
Good. That’s what hotels are for.
AirBNB is legit more expensive than hotels now for far worse service. It’s a get rich quick scheme.
It depends on the city really. I find that some cities hotels are just a way better value but other time air b and b can be good. Like for cabins and beach houses for example.
Renting out cabins and beach houses makes way more sense, since those are typically places you wouldn’t live in full time. The rest of the short term housing rentals end up driving up the cost of living.
“Investment properties” shouldn’t even be a thing.
Airbnb sometimes offers a good user experience but it’s not hard to understand that Airbnb is not benefiting the city’s population. And I really don’t mind going to a hotel. Actually I prefer it since I have a better idea of what to expect. Good for Barcelona, let the world follow their example!
I think it can benefit in certain situations. Like when we traveled to a European country we stayed in an AirBnB that was being rented out while the family who lived there was in summer vacation. So they essentially got to subsidize their vacation with Airbnb.
As far as units that are permanently Airbnb style short term rentals though I agree. Terrible for the actual residents in the city.
Good job, wish more places done this
Multinational corporations that operate hotels like this 👍
Lmao their lo$$
It’s the second largest city in spain. I think they will be fine with a reduction in tourism.
I don’t expect it will even reduce tourism that much, at least not in the long term. Barcelona is one of Europe’s most famous cultural centres. People will still want to go. They just need enough hotels to get set up to handle them
2028… so plenty of time for appeals and there will be basically no downward pressure on the housing market there since there is no big rush to offload 10k units that won’t make money.
It’s too bad, would have been better if they just revoked it immediately and banned it in the city.
What is this license that they have?
most places in the world require that you have a license for tourist renting. In theory, they inspect each unit before giving the license, to make sure it is safe. And in theory airbnb requires that license before allowing you to list on their site. If you don’t have the license, you get fined, same as if you opened a store without stablishing a formal company
Must be only in larger tourist cities. Not hard of this here
Yeah sure airbnb will be affected but i dont believe the blow to them will be as big as for the homeowners in Barcelona who offer their homes for rent through airbnb
Airbnb will do just fine without Barcelona. Not even sure they will notice, to be fair!
It’s going to hurt small time renters. I stayed in an AirBNB in 2013, it was rented out by a lovely family. It was a fantastic experience, staying in a nice neighborhood off the beaten path. We stayed for a few months, too, and we were respectful, not puking all over the place etc. A lot of locals invested in furnishing rentals for AirBNB. At least, that was the scene 9 years ago. No idea what it’s like now.
I had a good time in an Airbnb years ago, too, but it’s gotten more expensive over time. It’s not even that much cheaper than hotels now whenever I check.
And we have to admit that while they serve tourists like us, it’s costing locals their chance to get housing when landlords are buying up units and houses and saving them all to rent out on Airbnb.
I worked for a low income apartment complex that started doing AirBnB. It’s already a 2-3 year waiting list to get a rent controlled low income apartment but they were taking units off the market because they could make more money renting them by the night.
