Hi there, as a Seattle local I have a legitimate question for you. The local democrats I voted for turned around and gerrymandered the socialist 3 term serving city council member out of office. The only member that was actually pushing for the working class politics I wanted from my district representative. What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?
Edit: laughing at these down votes, yall are deeply unseriouse people.
FYI I downvoted you because you whined about your downvotes. Just thought you should know.
Next time vote for someone else. Local races are where “vote blue, no matter who” means the least. They’re the most likely place to see progressive change. If you saw unfortunate result because you put a check mark next to a D and expected something miraculous to happen, maybe you should start looking into the candidates instead of their party more often.
But, most of all. Don’t expect everyone to think the same way you do. Often they will have different ideas of what progress is. Sometimes that means you’ll see a step to the center, even if it’s a step forward. Don’t be disheartened just because you didn’t get everything you wanted this time, and show up again. And again. And again. Because the only way progress will stall is if you stop showing up.
If you saw unfortunate result because you put a check mark next to a D and expected something miraculous to happen, maybe you should start looking into the candidates instead of their party more often.
WA state has top two elections so the majority of the time it’s vote big D or little d. We also have statewide vote by mail so every election, primaries included, you can site down and research candidates as you mark off the ballot sheet, it’s one of the few times I enjoy a glass of wine as I take my time with it as it takes up an entire evening.
Any other misconceptions I can clear up for you?
I don’t see progress happening through the ballot box, increasingly I see more and more conservative liberals winning elections. And the progressives I once had hope for when they were first elected become more and more compromised as they try to work within the democratic party.
FYI I downvoted you because you whined about your downvotes. Just thought you should know.
Just as funny, but more so because you read commentary as complaining.
Are you suggesting it makes any sort of fucking sense whatsoever to help usher in a fascist dictatorship at the Federal level just because you’re unhappy with how the other party acted at your local city level?
How is it a strawman when it’s literally an accurate description of the situation? You’re trying to defend helping Trump, a fascist wannabe-dictator, get back into power on the grounds that your local Seattle Democrats fucked over a progressive.
Here’s a reminder of what you wrote (in case you try to edit it to save face):
Hi there, as a Seattle local I have a legitimate question for you. The local democrats I voted for turned around and gerrymandered the socialist 3 term serving city council member out of office. The only member that was actually pushing for the working class politics I wanted from my district representative. What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?
Cite the part of either my comments that isn’t an accurate restatement of that. I dare you.
Unfortunately gerrymandering is a flaw in the democratic process. At least in the US, the Voting Rights Act makes it so political parties cannot redraw districts to decrease the political influence of racial or ethnic groups. It says nothing about other political parties, so whichever party is in power when voting lines need to be redrawn will inevitably try to redraw the lines in their favor. Until that sort of gerrymandering is outlawed, it will continue to happen. The party in power isn’t going to make it fair for their competition out of the kindness of their heart.
Right but none of what you said answers the question: What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?
When true change is threatened it is dealt with in two ways, recuperation or rejection. Anything else is not change that threatens the systems of power and is allowed to be squabbled over.
Talk politics with people in your area, get to know people IRL, show up to city council things, do the leg work when you can. Again local elections happen locally with the people in your locality.
The incremental change that is had in this situation is not having the GQP win. Yeah the maps got redrawn in a way you don’t like this time but don’t stop fighting for what you see is right.
When you stop fighting the people you fight against will be able to steam roll through.
Well, looking beyond one local election might help.
You don’t quite understand what I am referencing if you think when I talk of recuperation that I am just referencing one election. Black Lives Matter is the biggest lightning rod that was very obviously recuperated in order to diminish it’s radical politics, MLK was literally assassinated when his politics got too radical and threatening of the status quo and then his legacy was recuperated, even the New Deal was recuperation of the strongest labor movement because of it’s deep socialist roots.
These are long standing ongoing problems with our political system and those that maintain it’s power.
What you can do - vote in the primaries, participate and support the socialist you supported (or similar folks) in new elections, etc.
Local elections, imo, matter a lot. And gerrymandering is a huge problem, recently enshrined by the supreme court as being A-OK! So you could use as a constituent, but… I doubt it will get anywhere.
Hi there, as a Seattle local I have a legitimate question for you. The local democrats I voted for turned around and gerrymandered the socialist 3 term serving city council member out of office. The only member that was actually pushing for the working class politics I wanted from my district representative. What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?
Edit: laughing at these down votes, yall are deeply unseriouse people.
FYI I downvoted you because you whined about your downvotes. Just thought you should know.
Next time vote for someone else. Local races are where “vote blue, no matter who” means the least. They’re the most likely place to see progressive change. If you saw unfortunate result because you put a check mark next to a D and expected something miraculous to happen, maybe you should start looking into the candidates instead of their party more often.
But, most of all. Don’t expect everyone to think the same way you do. Often they will have different ideas of what progress is. Sometimes that means you’ll see a step to the center, even if it’s a step forward. Don’t be disheartened just because you didn’t get everything you wanted this time, and show up again. And again. And again. Because the only way progress will stall is if you stop showing up.
WA state has top two elections so the majority of the time it’s vote big D or little d. We also have statewide vote by mail so every election, primaries included, you can site down and research candidates as you mark off the ballot sheet, it’s one of the few times I enjoy a glass of wine as I take my time with it as it takes up an entire evening.
Any other misconceptions I can clear up for you?
I don’t see progress happening through the ballot box, increasingly I see more and more conservative liberals winning elections. And the progressives I once had hope for when they were first elected become more and more compromised as they try to work within the democratic party.
Just as funny, but more so because you read commentary as complaining.
Are you suggesting it makes any sort of fucking sense whatsoever to help usher in a fascist dictatorship at the Federal level just because you’re unhappy with how the other party acted at your local city level?
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How is it a strawman when it’s literally an accurate description of the situation? You’re trying to defend helping Trump, a fascist wannabe-dictator, get back into power on the grounds that your local Seattle Democrats fucked over a progressive.
Here’s a reminder of what you wrote (in case you try to edit it to save face):
Cite the part of either my comments that isn’t an accurate restatement of that. I dare you.
Unfortunately gerrymandering is a flaw in the democratic process. At least in the US, the Voting Rights Act makes it so political parties cannot redraw districts to decrease the political influence of racial or ethnic groups. It says nothing about other political parties, so whichever party is in power when voting lines need to be redrawn will inevitably try to redraw the lines in their favor. Until that sort of gerrymandering is outlawed, it will continue to happen. The party in power isn’t going to make it fair for their competition out of the kindness of their heart.
Right but none of what you said answers the question: What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?
When true change is threatened it is dealt with in two ways, recuperation or rejection. Anything else is not change that threatens the systems of power and is allowed to be squabbled over.
Talk politics with people in your area, get to know people IRL, show up to city council things, do the leg work when you can. Again local elections happen locally with the people in your locality.
The incremental change that is had in this situation is not having the GQP win. Yeah the maps got redrawn in a way you don’t like this time but don’t stop fighting for what you see is right.
When you stop fighting the people you fight against will be able to steam roll through.
Well, looking beyond one local election might help. Sure, your district may not have gone the way you want, but another may have gone further.
If all you care about is what matters directly to you, then you’re in for a bad time.
You don’t quite understand what I am referencing if you think when I talk of recuperation that I am just referencing one election. Black Lives Matter is the biggest lightning rod that was very obviously recuperated in order to diminish it’s radical politics, MLK was literally assassinated when his politics got too radical and threatening of the status quo and then his legacy was recuperated, even the New Deal was recuperation of the strongest labor movement because of it’s deep socialist roots.
These are long standing ongoing problems with our political system and those that maintain it’s power.
What you can do - vote in the primaries, participate and support the socialist you supported (or similar folks) in new elections, etc.
Local elections, imo, matter a lot. And gerrymandering is a huge problem, recently enshrined by the supreme court as being A-OK! So you could use as a constituent, but… I doubt it will get anywhere.
So the best option is the next election.