Good job japan, corporations should not be allowed to lock you out of using competition on a device you own.
Tell them to ask the same from Nintendo or Sony, lol
Apple: ‘Mobile platform? Nah this is just a game console’ winks at Nintendo and Sony
Japan: Checkmate
:: Reveals 10X more laws regulating game consoles ::
How so? Honest question, I can’t seem to find anything that is not super pro-corporations like the prohibition on modding consoles with tens of thousands dollar fines or even prison sentences…
haha no source, just a dumb joke.
I would pay a lot of money to see Nintendo’s conniption over having to allow home brew and non-approved software on their game consoles. I would love to release emulators for older Nintendo consoles for the Switch so that they don’t get to keep charging people again to play old games on newer consoles.
Japan has so many unique store that operated in their country with region-locked apps/games.
As far as I remember, even DMM and DLsite already has their own game store on Android.
This is truly a win for Japanese customer and company.
The funny thing is that this is probably lobbying from NTT Docomo, who lost their own app store monopoly for feature phones the moment smartphones arrived.
That’s nice. Let the in fighting begains.
I just hope they’ll let non-profit app stores join. I just want an open source package manager tbh.
As a Canadian I thank you Japan
If this means that I might be able to use NFC payments because alternatives to Google Pay will exist, I am very happy. Hopefully this will also make possible to F-droid to provide auto updates.
Until earlier this year, I could make NFC payments with the app of my credit card company. AFAIK contactless payments on Android were never locked to Google Pay/Wallet. But I have no idea why there’s no competition in this space. I’d expect e.g. PayPal to have something, but if they do I never heard of it - and I did look once, briefly.
Because to implement this you need to negotiate with individual credit card issuers. Basically how this works is that your phone is being issued a virtual card with the keys locked inside the phone’s HSM. Then it can be used to make NFC payments just like any physical card. So you need 1. contracts with many card providers, 2. card issuance processes with these providers 3. huge amounts of compliance bureaucracy. At the end of the day it isn’t really worth it unless you are a huge company and expect to have tons of users or see it as an essential feature of your phone OS.
You mean the thing any credit card issuer does anyway?
Most credit card issuers don’t issue credit cards to random apps by solo developers.
Paypal has a nfc feature
For generic contactless payments at shops? Or some closed system that only works with other PayPal users?
For the most generic grocery shopping you can imagine
Alright, good to know.
It seems many banks/providers used to had this functionality and just stopped maintaining in favor of Google/Apple Pay.
Hopefully they decide to do it again.
Why would they do that when Google and Apple already do all the work for them?
Huh…my F-Droid already does auto updates 🤔
Yes I realized that, the one that doesn’t is Aurora I think
Unattended? Unrooted? What Android version?
I still have to confirm each install, wich is a bit tedious, and was looking around for a new phone.
Yes, yes and 14.
It is related to android version IIRC.
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind.
I’m confused why would you need a phone to pay via NFC. All you need is your card.
I’m confused why you would assume that there isn’t any context where someone might need to store their cards on their phone instead of carrying a wallet. Have you considering asking why instead of assuming everyone is like you? Is amazing when you get to know other perspectives.
Last I checked making a statement stating that you’re confused about something counts, semantically, as a question. No question mark needed.
But, fine, if you don’t want to tell me you don’t have to. I’m able to contain my curiosity. Certainly can’t put my ID, driver’s license, cash, and a hair tie into my phone. Nor, for that matter, put my phone into an ATM.
I can store my government issued ID, a driver’s licence, store limited cash behind my phone cover. And do cardless withdrawal from ATM if I need more. I have not needed a hair tie but if I did I’d wrap it on my wrist. Have not carried a wallet in years.
Everyone’s circumstances are different.
As of last month, I can now, in fact, store my driver’s license on my phone. Can’t wait to use it for nights out with friends, no risk of losing my purse and the app even hides your address unless you specifically allow it, so no skeevy bartenders can read my address when they “card” me :)
- I can usually pull out my phone faster than taking a card out of my wallet.
- Phone-based cards typically have significantly higher limits than physical cards. (I can tap hundreds of dollars with my phone, only about $100 on my card.)
- The phone needs to be unlocked which is safer than the card which just needs to be tapped with no other authentication.
- One less thing to carry around.
I use phone every day at office so I don’t need to get the wallet out of my jacket when going to the canteen to buy lunch. It’s literally the reason I started using my phone to pay. Too many times I forgot my card…
Much higher floor limit, and no need to enter your PIN every X transactions.
Some countries have limits to nfc payments with a card. Finland has 50e but with a phone no limits (unless the bank limits).
Google allows that though or do they mean access of Google Play via 3rd party apps?
Not that I am saying it might not be necessary to include Google from the start, sets a good precedence and prevents a future where they might go the Apple route.
Just hope both Google and Apple won’t restrict opening up to Japanese market only. But who am I kidding, they will.
I think this means allowing the listing of third party app stores inside the Google Play Store - so you could search for F-Droid in Google Play for example instead of downloading and installing the
.apkmanually.I don’t like that, if I am going through the play store, I only want things that have gone through googles vetting process, flawed though it may be.
F-Droid could go through it, the thing that is prohibited is for Google to bar them just because they are a competitor.
If they didn’t open up to anyone else when EU implemented it back in March/April, they won’t do it now.
The picture says “No Smartphones Allowed.” Doesn’t seem entirely right…
Reminds me of that meme of Asian people with random English words tattoo’d on them.
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Japan’s parliament has passed a law that will require Apple and Google to allow access to third-party app stores and payment providers on devices running their mobile operating systems.
The Act on Promotion of Competition for Specified Smartphone Software passed Japan’s upper house yesterday and will be enforced once Cabinet rubber-stamps it at some point in the next eighteen months.
The last item on the list is a shot across Apple’s bows, as the iGiant has been reticent to allow third-party developers to use the NFC chip in iPhones for payments.
Requiring the same level of access is a big deal – especially as non-compliance could result in fines that represent “20 percent of relevant turnover.”
As it implements the law, the JFTC will seek comment from relevant ministries and agencies on matters including security, privacy, and protecting kids.
Apple has sometimes argued that security is a major concern if third party app stores are allowed to access iThings – but has complied with requirements to open its devices to competition under the DMA.
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