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Can we all please admit they’re committing war crimes now?
Anyone who isn’t admitting it yet isn’t going to start doing so because of evidence.
Anyone who isn’t admitting it yet isn’t going to start doing so because of fresh evidence
Haven’t they been burning people down with white phosphorus for decades? They aren’t gonna start admitting it now.
I can hope.
What we should be pleading for is a mandated reassessment by the State Department now that it’s clear they suppressed relevant information on the previous report.
I think any citizen who is paying attention knows Israel is committing war crimes. We need intelligence to confirm what we, the UN, the ICC, and the ICJ all see so that the support can end.
You would be surprised even on
LennyLemmy how many deny Israel’s crimes.edit: Stupid autocorrect.
I usually assume those are trolls. Hell, I’ll argue against comments that paint all Israelis with one brush, or point out legitimate reasons Biden can’t just do what he wants, but there’s simply no denying or defending the atrocities committed by Israel.
As a Jewish person raised by a (now dead) father who thought Israel could do no wrong, I guarantee you he would make some sort of justification of this.
I don’t actually blame my dad for that, he spent half of his childhood in London during WWII just waiting for the Nazis to invade and throw him in a concentration camp and then afterward found out half of his relatives were murdered in the Holocaust, so he had some big blinders on when it came to “Jews have to be safe and Israel is necessary for that no matter what.”
That’s a justifiably skewed perception. I’d assume honest pro-Israel commenters aren’t old enough to remember WWII, but it’s not unreasonable to imagine a sheltered upbringing by a parent with that perspective distorting the narrative to their child. I’m glad you took it upon yourself to learn the world outside of his opinions.
I’m sorry about your loss. Your dad sounds like he was a resilient guy.
it’s not unreasonable to imagine a sheltered upbringing by a parent with that perspective distorting the narrative to their child. I’m glad you took it upon yourself to learn the world outside of his opinions.
Thank you, it took me a long time to break free of it and I still have to check myself sometimes when I see a criticism of Israel from having a knee-jerk reaction to it. My dad was both a force of personality and a university professor, so when he told you something, it was hard to disbelieve him.
That said, it always seemed off to me even back then, the way Palestinians were treated. But you didn’t really want to question my dad’s beliefs, so I didn’t really talk about it.
I’m sorry about your loss. Your dad sounds like he was a resilient guy.
Thanks. He was, and I loved him, but he could also be a major asshole. Anyway, he died in 2016, so I’m way past grieving. Obviously, I miss him, but I’ve accepted the loss a long time ago. He lived to 85, which is pretty good for someone who probably spent five years inhaling god knows what in the air from bombed buildings, I’m guessing a huge amount of asbestos.
That’s a good run. It must have been equally valuable and intimidating to have a professor as a dad. I absolutely see why you’d have difficulty challenging him.
My dad passed when he was 48 from being a stubborn smoking diabetic. He was a hard right winger who used to laugh at people like my mom for protesting Vietnam. Teaching him about racism when I was young was an uphill battle.
I hear you on how mixed feelings of admiration and opposition can affect a child. He’ll always be a part of me, good or bad. I like to say my dad taught me a lot, sometimes it was how to be, and others it was how not to be. There’s always a lesson.
Yep. I don’t buy that Lemmy is leftwing, it might have some leftwing users but I still see victim blaming shit here, war crime denials and I’m fucking done with the “enabling trump” bs. This fucking place is no better than Reddit despite how holier than thou some users are.
I would say that there are enough people, left or right, who are under no illusions about Israel that those who deny Israel’s war crimes are a small minority on Lemmy, but they do exist.
There are certainly people who justify Israel’s war crimes, and those are a lot more numerous, but there is also a small cadre of deniers.
This one actually gets really technical. It’s legal if you don’t use shells meant to disperse into shrapnel, and you use it for purely military purposes like smoking out enemy positions or screening the advance of ground forces.
But Israel is totally violating both of those things and has been for decades.
There are 11,195,792 reasons they won’t admit Israel is committing war crimes
Do you know where that graphic comes from? The data on opensecrets.org indicates that Biden has received $5,688,069 between 1990 and 2024.
I’m not disagreeing that this is a problem. This is undoubtedly a route through which foreign money is making it into US politics and Biden is one of the biggest recipients of Pro-Israel funds. It just isn’t as much money as indicated by the graphic. It is $5,688,069 spread over 34 years but loaded heavily to more recent years.
Biden donations from Pro-Israel sources by election cycle:
- 2023-2024: $1,459,405
- 2021-2022: Unsure - Not in top 20 and can’t find full dataset
- 2019-2020: $3,753,304
All other election cycles, Biden doesn’t appear in the top 20. Simple math indicates that, outside of 2019, 2020, 2023, and 2024, Biden received an additional $475,360 over the rest of his career.
I don’t like to see that Biden received $3,753,304 in the 2019-2020 campaign cycle. That is way too much foreign influence in my opinion, even if it technically came from American organizations. That said, Biden spent $1,614,843,740 in 2019-2020 meaning that only 0.23% of that was from Pro-Israel groups.
It’s messed up, but using white phosphorus isn’t banned under international law.
The usage of white phosphorus is restricted under international humanitarian law. Although there can be lawful uses, it must never be fired at, or in close proximity to, a populated civilian area or civilian infrastructure, due to the high likelihood that the fires and smoke it causes spread. Such attacks, which fail to distinguish between civilians and civilian objects and fighters and military objectives, are indiscriminate and thus prohibited.
Nice, thanks
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The Hamas human shields thing is a lie propagated by Israel. Hamas operate in Gaza, an extremely densely populated area, and Israel’s blockade turns it into an open air prison. Hamas operating near civilians is necessary because there is nowhere they can go that isn’t full of civilians. There’s little evidence to suggest that Hamas intentionally puts civilians in more danger than they would otherwise be, they just have no choice.
I hate that I ever even bought that line. No shit they operate out of mosques and shit. Where the hell else would they operate out of in such a limited region.
Also worth noting, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world.
Well Israel are doing their part to alleviate that.
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One side is committing genocide and the other is defending their home, but sure buddy, go on about how both sides are the same. I’m sure you would have supported the Nazis too, because after all remember the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
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That all makes too much sense so obviously that’s not what we’re going to get.
We’re going to get whatever makes the assholes in power the most money and whatever keeps bibi out of trouble as his legal troubles are postponed untill “major operations are over.”
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I don’t know if they really claim to hate it. Check out the reference guide: the old testament
Count how many towns, peoples/tribes/etc (women and children included), animals, god gave explicit permission/instruction to completely wipe off the face of the earth.
Lebanon does not have Hamas. They have Hezbollah.
Very well put. I think the only way out of this, post war, is for a Palestinian state to exist. Proper UN membership. The only way this is going to happen is if Hamas goes. Hamas must die. Israel is using every excuse they can to prolong this war and Hamas is giving them plenty of excuses. Everybody sucks here except the civilians who are hopelessly trapped.
How can Israel attack another country and not be at war already?
Israel has been doing this forever, I can’t even count the times in which they violated our airspace to bomb Syria.
My guess is that they are attacking Hezbollah-controlled parts of Lebanon and the Lebanese government doesn’t acknowledge their legitimacy.
When they start attacking the rest of the world while arguing that they are eradicating mosquitos, people may notice that something is wrong
Israel is USA’s spoiled brat. They’ve been violating international laws for decades now and no one dares touch them, otherwise Karen USA will start throwing a tantrum about it.
Have fun reading on how Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace 22355 times since 2007.
That’s nothing, give them some more time and they will use that stuff in EVERY town! Genociding has many Israeli flavors! They learned this from the Germans. Fucking sad.
Yayyyyy warcrimes!
