• Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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    Or you need to identify those who aren’t behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don’t need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)

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      we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.

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      Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It’s only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn’t natural.

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        I was thinking psychopath. Someone who tries to blend in and act normal but never quite gets it. We have no problem be horrors to other species, but early humans couldn’t afford a psychopath willing and wanting to kill their own tribe.

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          Psychopath is just Latin for mentally ill person. Someone suffering from depression is a “psychopath”, and no, depressed people aren’t dangerous. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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            Even though that’s what the latin translation is, that’s not what the word means. The definition is “Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits masked by superficial charm and the outward presence of apparent normality”.

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                Okay, first of all: the DSM is used primarily in North America. The majority of the world uses ICDM.

                Secondly, the DSM has gone through many iterations and changes. For instance, DSM-I and -II contained psychopathy as a mental illness. It was replaced by ASPD in DSM-III. What we term today as “major depressive disorder” was also introduced in DSM-III. Did depression not exist prior to the third DSM? Did ASPD not exist? Does psychopathy not exist now that it has been replaced by ASPD?

                Thirdly, there’s so much bloody overlap in conditions listed in the DSM that you could present two psychiatrists with the same list of symptoms and they would diagnose two different disorders. And to my mind, this lends more credence to the first DSM’s principle classifications of psychotic, neurotic, and behavioural disorders.

                To summarize, the DSM is regional and therefore cannot be applied globally. It describes medical conditions and those medical conditions can be redefined at any time. And it is borderline unreliable due to diagnostic confusion and overspecification. In short, the presence or lack thereof of some cluster of symptoms in the DSM is not an indicator of the existence of a condition.

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                  The DSM removed it because it was fake. Early psychologists believed in it, and over time they were proven wrong, so the official materials were revised.

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            Are you legitimately stupid? Do you not understand what the commonly accepted definition is for psychopath?

            I suggest you figure it out before spouting Reddit level drivel.

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    It would be a evolutionary benefit to fear / avoid any person that is behaving strangely in certain distinct ways. Could be a dangerous transmittable disease, i.e. rabies etc.

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    The humanoids we evolved from were at one point, not the only humanoids around. We coexisted with other, different species (neanderthals being an example). Homosapien is just the one that survived.

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        I mean, racism has as much reason to exist now as it ever did. “I’ll protect me and what’s mine” has been the dividing line between species for thousands of years, and we have to choose whether we’ll continue it. A “Kill or be killed” mindset might keep you safe, but you’ll never know if the person you killed did indeed mean you harm, or if you could’ve instead lived without killing, and broke bread with a rival. The logic still applies

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      As usual, we managed to make them go extinct. But not before having sex with them (hence neanderthal dna in our bodies)

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    Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren’t a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have

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    Our instincts draw from pretty far back in our biological origins as well. The notion of mimiclike predators is pretty damned ancient and likely a factor for very earliest common ancestry.

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      Mimiclike predators sound like psychopaths. Which, very much would be a reason we evolved uncanny valley, but they learned to blend in.

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          Psychopath is derived from Ancient Greek… And even besides that, laymen generally use the term to describe ASPD despite the two conditions not being entirely the same. Don’t be obtuse.

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            Yes, I’m aware that the word has been used as a slur against people with ASPD and other mental illnesses, what’s your point?

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        There’s also the concept of gender blindness until it became necessary to differentiate between groups and eventually people.

        Sorta like the story of the color blue.

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    “But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that’s going to be Human and isn’t yet, or used to be Human once and isn’t now, or ought to be Human and isn’t, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet.”

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        Some of them did. We all know a few people that would go ahead and fuck what the rest of us would be scared to go near. Those genes survived too.

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          If those genes didn’t exist, you can be pretty sure that lineage would be less likely to survive.

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    Back 4 million years the whole world really was a planet of the apes. So in some ways recognising something that wasn’t your species, but looked like it might have avoided conflict, loss of territory, loss of food…

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    Illness, death, and antisocial behavior. All of these were threats we evolved to handle, people who are “a little bit off” in one way or another, who might endanger the group or individual. This, and that our pattern seeking brains don’t like it when something doesn’t easily fit within an existing schema, even more so if it lies just outside of our existing preconceptions.

    Obviously, I can’t say that these definitely are the reasons why we experience the uncanny valley, but I think it’s probably a better explanation than… Skin walkers? Or whatever else the meme would be implying.

    Still, it’s a cool premise for a horror story at least.