• Nougat@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    28
    ·
    6 months ago

    He doesn’t realize that US military funding of Israel has been paused many times - including by Biden - as a lever to try to force change. That funding is the leverage we have over Israel. Fully halting it eliminates that leverage, and then what?

    Also, the GOP has put forward legislation to remove the ability of the president to pause those deliveries, which also eliminates that leverage in a worse way. Biden has said he would veto that bill, by the way.

    I’ve mentioned this before, as you well know, but it deserves mentioning again here. The fact that you can criticize Biden and there’s an outside chance he’ll listen makes him the better candidate than the guy who listens to nobody on anything that’s not about how to make him more money, with disregard to whether the money-making scheme is legal.

    Edit: Let’s also not forget that the guy who listens to nobody also uses literal WWII Nazi language at his presidential campaign rallies, kind of all the time - along with an ever-increasing litany of repugnant behaviors, any one of which would have immediately halted any other political campaign in its tracks. But let’s not ever criticize that; it’s all the Democrats’ fault.

    I’ve also said that the people who bark about this, only ever criticising Biden and Democrats, are either foreign propagandists or wholly taken by them. I stand by that statement.

    • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      6 months ago

      He doesn’t realize that US military funding of Israel has been paused many times - including by Biden - as a lever to try to force change. That funding is the leverage we have over Israel. Fully halting it eliminates that leverage, and then what?

      If only there was an international body charged with prosecuting international crimes, and if there was such a body, thank God it’s Biden in the white house and not Trump, who would surely obstruct bringing justice and pressure to the Isreali leaders conducting the war crimes.

      If only it was domestically illegal to send weapons to foreign nations who were found to be using them to commit war crimes, that way at least Israel would know our hands were tied if they keep committing them

      If only there was an international coalition of nations that could sanction Israel for committing war crimes. I’m sure if there was we would certainly not obstruct justice being brought there

      If only the US had a functional military, so they could use it as a last resort to put an end to a literal fucking genocide.

      What a sad reality we live in.

      I’ve also said that the people who bark about this, only ever criticising Biden and Democrats, are either foreign propagandists or wholly taken by them. I stand by that statement.

      Do you think Trump would relent if I was yelling at him to stop the genocide Biden was supporting?

      Do you think republicans would listen to moralistic appeals to stopping genocide?

      Are there even any full-throated republicans on lemmy?

      This ‘why aren’t you complaining about republicans?!’ bullshit is a transparent deflection of responsibility from the people who are actively involved in the genocide. And I stand by that statement.

      • Nougat@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        6 months ago

        Do you think Trump would relent if I was yelling at him to stop the genocide Biden was supporting?

        No, I do not. We should do everything we can to get him elected, so he can also not listen to you from the Oval Office!

        • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          6 months ago

          We should do everything we can to get him elected, so he can also not listen to you from the Oval Office!

          Do you feel the same way about campaigning for Biden?

          I admire your level of political nihilism.

          • Nougat@fedia.io
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            17
            ·
            6 months ago

            Single-issue voters have always left the barn door open for all manner of fuckery to be undertaken.

              • stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                11
                ·
                6 months ago

                One-day-every-four-years democrats have always left the barn door open for all manner of fuckery to be undertaken, too.

                Those are called elections and ‘closing the barn door’ on them would be called fascism. Google January 6th if you’re confused.

                • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  6 months ago

                  Ah, I see the confusion, allow me to explain;

                  a 365 day voter is one who pushes for better politics every day of the year, a one-day-every-four-years voter is one who only shows up on election day and does fuck all the rest of the time.

                  The barn door for fuckery would be politicians getting to run carte-blanche on policy positions without pushback because the one-day-every-four-years voter didn’t show up except for the day of the election and now has to choose between the options already selected for them by the time they wake up.

                  Fascism happens when the fascists are 365 day voters and the non-fascists are One-day-every-four-years voters.

                  • stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    6
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    6 months ago

                    a 365 day voter is one who pushes for better politics every day of the year

                    Ah- so like a delusional self-righteous person that thinks babbling on the internet is a form of activism. Gotcha. I’m just a registered voter that votes and calls reps about important issues. Basically the same as your 365 thing but not as hilariously pretentious.

      • Blaine@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        If only there was an international body charged with prosecuting international crimes, and if there was such a body, thank God it’s Biden in the white house and not Trump, who would surely obstruct bringing justice and pressure to the Isreali leaders conducting the war crimes.

        I’m just going to leave this link here for you… Hopefully you’ll have the good sense to delete this comment once you see how incredibly wrong you are. Biden is doing - TODAY - the thing you were afraid Trump might possibly do next year.

        Biden administration signals it will support push to hit ICC with sanctions

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      6 months ago

      That funding is the leverage we have over Israel. Fully halting it eliminates that leverage, and then what?

      If you’re not willing to halt, or even reduce, it, it’s not leverage anymore; you’re just being a doormat.