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Let’s hope it’s not the last one…
One of the best uses of this meme I’ve seen so far
One of the best uses of this meme I’ve seen so far, so far
It really is hard to put Republican assholery on a scale of “worst in our lifetime”.
GWB got us in multiple multiple decade long wars.
Mitt Romney or Dick Cheney might have turned the great recession into another great depression.
Trump nearly got us into another full blown recession, got rid of Roe V Wade, tried to overturn Democracy, and nearly got us into a war with Iran.
Trump this time around will try to overturn Democracy again, might bring back the full blown recession we almost had, will let Russia steamroll Ukraine, will support Israel harder than any US president, etc. etc.
But it’s fearmongering, and you AREN’T going to scare THESE ubermensch with your dastardly threats of “Literally what the opposition has promised to do”! That’s what WEAK people fall for.
Or something like that.
You forgot the grandfather of assholery, Ronald Regan. 90 % of the fuckery today can be linked back to that piece of shit.
It goes back before that, when Boothe killed Lincoln and reconstruction failed and we let the south keep southing it got fucked.
Nixon recognized it and used it to get elected, and Reagan got the economy fucking us, and Bush 2 profited from starting wars on surpluses from the previous administration. Then trump wasted Obama’s hard work on the economy with tax cuts and shit handling of a pandemic.
I saaaay we stop being nice and start working together. These two things are the big problems of the left.
Oh, I completely agree. Republicans have consistently gotten worse. At the same time, so has literally every Democrat since Carter. Every Democratic president since Clinton has moved to the right. For example: Obamacare? More like exactly what Reagan proposed to “fix” the insurance industry. And people forget that Biden was the “moderate” to pull that crazy “leftist Obama” back towards the “center”. And now Biden is called a crazy leftist. So now we have 2 right-wing choices. One that thinks capitalism fixes everything, supports genocide because it’s profitable, and says “but we like queer people (as long as they have money and don’t ask for anything)”. The other is a literal fascist. The fact is that either party is good for big business and bad for everyone else.
It’s a bit reductionist to boil Obama down to the shit implementation of Obamacare that the GOP killed in the womb. I encourage you to read on it. TL;DR, it was gonna be pretty good, but the GOP threw a fit that it was going to be a win for Dems and tanked it. You’re also leaving out the fact that Obama expanded gay rights and got talking about climate change on a policy level. Should both of those things happened sooner? Yes, but that’s letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Biden isn’t amazing and honestly, I don’t care for him much. However, I doubt he letting the genocide in Gaza happen for profits. With the Dem’s own party, Israel is a divisive issue and I’m sure he’s having to tread carefully so it doesn’t shoot in the foot later because politicians are scummy petty people
The ACA that wasn’t all it could have been was STILL a huge improvement and completely moved the battle lines on healthcare.
Mitt Romney would not have let Russia invade Ukraine. He’s been a staunch enemy of Putin’s aggression.
It would have been simple. Put US troops on the border in the hundreds of thousands. Russia doesn’t invade.
It’s like all those “heat records” that supposedly “proves” that climate is “changing”.
Every single month they keep getting broken, sheesh!
It looks like a conspiracy if you ask me - all those “scientists” with their… “facts”! Everyone saying the same thing all the time - it sure sounds like they are pushing an agenda to me! What if I don’t want to be educated though - did they ever stop to think about that, hrm!?
Like, are we to believe it’s purely coincidence that the scientists are making these claims AT THE SAME TIME as the graphs are showing heat levels rising? seems like they’re just cashing in on a good grift! We all know how scientists are about money making schemes.
All that “I want to eat food”, “I want food for my family”, “that’s not enough food I want more food” nonsense! Why don’t they just eat the climate like Zeus intended?
I thought Zeus would just fuck the climate. And anything in it.
No. Well… only if it was female, so I guess roughly half of it? :-P
waiting for climate-chan rule34
How dare you provide “scientific” proofs? What do you think this is, a logical discussion?? I need someone to yell the facts at me, that way they’ll sink in more better
Okay then… how’s this?
It must be a cyber Greta /s 🤣
And they aren’t wrong. Every current election is the most important of your life. Not just presidential. If you choose not to participate intelligently. And loose access or rights as a result. You will likely never get them back.
No, no, this time they’re going to SHOW the mean ol’ democrats by voting third party. When the opposition, consisting of literal fascists who tried an autocoup the last time they were in power, ensures they never have a say again, it won’t bother them a single goddamn bit.
ah yes the pantsuit lady school of electoral strategy where you pointedly ignore any and all criticism and then blame your voter base when you lose
how did it go last time i don’t remember
Just because they’ve said this 3 elections in a row doesn’t mean it hasn’t been true each time.
The problem is that fascism keeps gaining territory, and eventually it will be the last election you get to vote in.
Yeah the problem is if you want to actually win you can’t just keep saying it’s the most important election and you have to vote for us or else over and over again. People will get desensitized eventually and stop caring and then the fascists will win. You have to do good things that make people want to vote for you and judging by public opinion Biden has not been doing the best at that. (This isn’t how I feel, I’m still gonna vote for him to stop Trump and I think people should vote for Biden. I’m just saying why average people who aren’t this dialed into politics aren’t gonna keep voting and that will be the downfall of Biden.)
Well, they don’t “just” keep saying it, it’s just a thing that Democrats say sometimes that far-left children like to fixate on like its the only thing being said. There have been numerous well reasoned arguments this election cycle for voting for Biden, if for some reason you were in a coma from 2017-2020 and don’t have any frame of reference for what we’re up against.
There are millions of reasons (every undocumented immigrant that Trump wants to genocide, for starters) that you should vote for Biden in November. I’m tired of people being reductive and acting like the situation isn’t dire right now. Anyone with a functioning brain should be in agreement about, of the options we have, which one we should take.
Biden, despite his many flaws, has done more for the working class than any president in my lifetime. The people on the left pretending that there’s no compelling reason to vote for him are fucking morons, especially those who insist that Trump is somehow the same.
and that will be the downfall of Biden
Just remember, when Trump wins like you want him to, and Fascism takes over, just like history books today point the finger quite deservedly at apathetic Germans who let the Nazis win, future generations are going to point their fingers at the likes of people like you, who decided that Trump wasn’t worth defeating - and there’s literally only one way we keep him out of the White House next year.
Just remember when you vote for a Genocide Joe you support genocide no matter how much you cry about Trump.
Harm reduction. Read about it, or have someone with more than two brain cells explain it to you.
Lots of you orange cats already spouting it on here. It’s still voting for genocide no matter how you dress it up. You are the baddie.
The problem with people like you is that there are no gray areas. Everything is black or white.
There’s pros and cons to each candidate and I hate to tell you there are more pros with Biden than there are cons compared to any other available candidate. Albeit the con is pretty major.
But I think Biden is pretty fucking pissed at Netanyahu. They’re just playing politics at this point. But deep down he hates the guy.
I literally said that none of that was how I personally felt. It’s just observations I’ve made from looking at polls and talking to people who are less engaged in politics. I’m still voting for Biden and want him to win. I’m just giving reasons how Biden currently isn’t doing good among voters who are getting fatigued with the whole “most important election ever” rhetoric. And yes there are other issues the Democrats use for messaging like abortion which is a very popular point but on more recent issues like the war in Gaza (which he looks bad on no matter what side of the issue you’re on) he has been loosing support from younger voters which are a pretty key demographic if he wants to win. Then there’s the economy which even though everyone is saying it’s doing better most people I talk to are still spending more than before and wages haven’t gone up to match and plenty of people I know are struggling to get jobs after mass layoffs at various tech companies. These aren’t the kinds of things that might make someone vote for Trump but instead just check out of politics cause either option things are still gonna get worse. And on a final note people like you who immediately accuse anyone who criticizes Biden of wanting Trump to win aren’t helping, you just make the Biden side look crazy like the Trump side. I can want Biden to win to not have Trump in office while still criticizing Biden and wanting him to do better.
I’ve been hearing that it’s the most important election of my lifetime since at least 2008. The problem is that this kind of rhetoric becomes meaningless over time. The Democrats need to stop telling people it’s the most important election of their lives and starting telling them why it’s important. “The policies that Trump is advocating for are literally fascism, and the right-wing extremists in the Supreme Court won’t stop him,” carries a lot more weight than, “Hey, I know I say this a lot, but this is actually a once in a lifetime, super important election.”
he Democrats need to stop telling people it’s the most important election of their lives and starting telling them why it’s important. “The policies that Trump is advocating for are literally fascism, and the right-wing extremists in the Supreme Court won’t stop him,” carries a lot more weight than, “Hey, I know I say this a lot, but this is actually a once in a lifetime, super important election.”
What do you think we’ve been saying.
LOL, name a single sitting Democrat that has said that. Every day I listen to left-leaning pundits avoid the word fascism or talk about Trump’s batshit policies like he’s just another Republican. When is Nancy Pelosi going to go on Meet the Press and say, “Donald Trump is preparing a fascist movement that will end American democracy?” It’s great that Liberals and Leftists of Lemmy agree on this one, but somebody should tell the party leadership.
Forreal lol, it’s like when Trump would learn some basic, middle-school level fact and then would talk about it and say, “No one knew this!”
They keep wanting their voters to feel that way, while apparently not being bothered enough to do something about it themselves. Like, are we supposed to believe that this election could plunge the US into 1000 years of darkness, but at the same time we absolutely cannot stop supporting a genocide halfway across the world, even if that may well make the difference in the election?
they’ve said this 3 elections in a row
You don’t think anyone was saying it in 2008 or 2004 or 1996 or 1984? Nevermind the off-years, the municipal elections, the special elections, the judicial elections, the time when your favorite politician is on a singing show…
The problem is that fascism keeps gaining territory
Isn’t it curious that Democrats can hold every branch of the federal government in 2008 only to watch fascism grow out of control on their watch? And then, by 2016, the cancer is everywhere, so we need to vote them all out. But the people we’re voting for won’t do a fucking thing to keep ACB off the bench for three months. So there goes the Courts. And then they’ve got Congressional majorities and the Presidency in 2021, but… oops, again! Can’t prosecute Trump. Can’t prosecute DeSantis. Can’t prosecute Ken Paxton. Can’t even prosecute Rudy fucking Guiliani.
And now we’re back in 2024, begging for votes, because we need one more shot to do our fucking jobs, please, please, PLEASE, just one more vote, we promise this time it’ll be different!
Only this time, we’re sending 2000 lb bunker busters to Israel so they can slaughter Palestinians, while our candidate of choice is getting up in front of college crowds to tell them that any kind of protest is an illegal form of antisemitism. And the entire pitch for the Presidency this time around appears to be “If you don’t vote for me, the wealthiest people in the country will hit the big Heat Up The Planet button until we all bake to death (but even if you do they still might)”.
Cool cool cool. Love democracy.
archcomrade
What’s the chances this isn’t a tankie?
What Republicans realized decades ago is this is fundamentally true. Every election is the most important election. They just leave off the “…so far” that should be at the end of the statement.
I think before Reagan (or maybe Gingrich) people could reasonably see some elections as less consequential than others. But the Republicans realized that it’s all about building. Build a bench of charismatic, intelligent, possibly sociopathic individuals. Get them in local government and then state government and then federal government. Tell your base voters that you’re building something that will one day pay off.
Just keep building, just keep building, and one day you have a juggernaut. Especially if your opponents didn’t build to match.
Democrats spent the 80s and 90s assuming the status was quo. They spent the last half of the 90s and the 00s living in the fantasy that what people liked about Clinton was the fiscal conservatism without the religion, so they should be more conservative.
Only very recently have progressives started breaking through.
Now we have to build.
Luckily the Republicans have hitched their wagon to a human wrecking ball. That might let Democrats catch up sooner than they otherwise would.
Democrats spent the 80s and 90s assuming the status was quo.
This was the Golden Age for liberalism. It was the age after the bountiful 80’s, but before the communication age started shining light into all the dark corners of our society. People could live in blissful ignorance of societal problems as the just fed and fed from a growing housing bubble.
I mean, you totally forgot how 9/11 changed our ENTIRE outlook on the world.
Changed what exactly? The way US ppl see the world? Because the government is exactly the same as ever with the rest of the world.
Edit: Why ppl are downvoting me, you forgot Vietnam? Korea? Gulf? Fuck off boot lickers.
Is Midwest.Social an offshoot of Hexbear or something?
Careful. I’ve heard that’s still in the splash zone
Midwest.social is the only whole instance that I suspect of being operated at least partly by shill / propaganda accounts. Maybe that’s a weird outlandish accusation to make, but some of the admins are on the “no voting for Biden amirite” train which is unusual. And it’s not the holistic “we are out of our gourds on all geopolitical issues” way that Hexbear users are. Midwest.social is like radical left people but a large part of the left radical criticism seems to be directed only at the Democrats. And, the whole “We are Midwest, we are from Ohio, look, it says [Ohio] right after my user name so you know I’m from the Midwest” thing is weird. There are plenty of regional servers but none of them give me the same “yo wtf is up with that” vibe like midwest.social does.
IDK. Maybe that sounds uncompelling, like an extraordinary claim with very sketchy evidence. But I looked around it a bit and it seemed just sort of off in a way that’s hard now for me to articulate beyond saying that it seemed weird.
I don’t think it’s outlandish; that’s exactly what I’ve noticed from every single post coming from the instance or it’s users and why it feels like Hexbear. Just constant, obnoxious hot takes about throwing away their vote because “both sides bad” instead of constant obnoxious hot takes about communist countries.
I joined it because “Midwest”. To be frank though. Local posts are in the 10s a day. I never see them unless i select local only. I’ve seen a fair bit more left position represented than would seem representative of the Midwest. Not that it’s a bad thing. There is an instance pinned post about the administration standing with the protesters. Which again isn’t specifically a bad thing. (I’ll look at the discourse inside later) I see screechy hyperbolic posts about “genocide Joe” getting generally down voted. So I can’t make any real comments about any strong vibe. But no. Not all of us are coping with severe head trauma like archcomrade.
I think it’s safe to say he may just be loud, obnoxious, and perceived as being more representative than they are. Due to how inactive the rest of us seem to be.
There are dozens of us!
I would say my experience on midwest.social aligns with Lemmy’s population as a whole - generally left of (US) center, with a few further left folks. Most of the content is either midwest-specific news or LOTR memes, probably makes sense that the only content that gets widely upvoted by Lemmy at large is the left-leaning memes.
I haven’t seen anything nearly as extreme as the posts/comments from hexbear/grad/ml, but I wouldn’t be surprised if users from those instances have accounts on multiple instances to push propaganda.
Yeah I don’t look at local either, I’m just from the Midwest.
Thank you for the kind words.
I’ve seen a fair bit more left position represented than would seem representative of the Midwest.
For what it’s worth, that was my expectation when I joined midwest.social. I wasn’t trying to find one that aligned with my politics - I was just wanted to be around people local to me - but I came to really enjoy the politics on m.social regardless and because of that i’ve become connected to more people in my community in minneapolis that share my politics than I ever would have thought to go looking for here.
I obviously don’t think I’m coping with anything like head trauma, but I think lemmy.world has become a little obstinate around electoralism and hostile toward dissenting opinions and is deserving of a little agitation. For what it’s worth; mostly my conversations on lemmy.world end up being constructive If i let the conversation go for long enough and let the sharp pass by unacknowledged. Some present in this thread notwithstanding.
I don’t think I ever would have noticed the selective reporting and exposure in a liberal echo-chamber if it weren’t for the diversity of opinions I get with being in m.social. Even with topics and views people generally agree on, posts that sound like critique of established electoral party lines get treated with suspicion in .world, and I would be lying if I didn’t take a little satisfaction in the speculation around my covert allegiances.
Dude I absolutely loved when I first visited Lemmy and found a variety of political views including some I thought were dead wrong. It’s like the real internet. And yes that actually includes places like slrpnk, as an example oriented around anarchism or “anti-electoralism” – the difference being that it seems like they like anarchism first, and have for a while, and not voting for Joe Biden is yes a natural outgrowth of that now that this election is happening, but they still spend most of their time talking about the anarchism, not almost all of it on the Joe Biden part. They’re not deeply and suspiciously constantly and consistently interested in talking to you about specifically bad things about Joe Biden… they seem like they’re being sincere about what they believe, as opposed to just trying to bring up “anti-electoralism” as a convenient excuse to take up time and bandwidth talking bad about voting (and about voting for Joe Biden specifically). Which they then do extremely consistently, and extremely constantly, and recast people who are disagreeing with them as if they were saying something else that isn’t what they’re saying.
It’s like the difference between someone who likes some type of drink I don’t like, but it’s fine and we can hang out, versus someone at the club who’s loudly talking about one particular brand of drink and offering it to people and doesn’t seem all that interested in any type of conversation that doesn’t revolve around consuming that particular type of drink. Like yeah buddy. I have no ill will for you but I would prefer that you weren’t at my table if that’s what’s up.
I find this more than a little ironic because this is exactly the way i feel about every critique of Biden being met with “but Trump is so much worse.” Maybe the feeling is different, because for you it seems to be just a few people at the party but for me it’s every table saying the same thing.
I don’t even feel that strongly about not voting for Biden, I just feel irate about every bit of bad publicity about him being treated as an opportunity to reinforce the voting pattern of everyone present.
Like, I get it, Trump is a fucking monster, but I personally find aspects of Biden intolerable and at least Biden has a slightly greater chance of being moved by critique from within the base than Trump. If people want to respond to every critique with 20 layers of sarcasm, then I’m going to keep mocking them for how ridiculous I think they sound.
every critique of Biden being met with “but Trump is so much worse.”
Look at this thing I found on the front page – it’s Biden doing something that’s both dumb and evil, and the top comment is cursing at him about it and calling him a dickhead.
Look at this thing where I said “at this rate, all the Palestinians will be dead before he works his way slowly and gradually around to the idea that maybe he’ll have to do more than a sternly worded phone call with Netanyahu in order for the killing to stop.” and got a bunch of upvotes.
I’ll only speak for myself, but the thing that causes me to get sarcastic is when I write that and then someone replies back to me and says “I know it’s hard to comprehend that there’s people that aren’t Trumpers/Republican that don’t support genocide Joe.” It’s like he’s reading from a script, and just sort of blindly throwing out stuff that’s on his script. Honestly, something like that – where someone seems like they’re not even trying to connect what they’re saying with reality, even of the messages (let along the outside world) is more what leads me to say “Yeah okay man, you’re full of shit.”
Look around you, man. Everyone is fine with criticizing Joe Biden. I don’t think everyone’s really gonna see it exactly the same way that you do or I do or whatever, but trying to claim that you’re being browbeaten for criticizing Joe Biden, when you are literally surrounded by people who themselves give criticism to Joe Biden, is going to make people think you are lying. Surely you can see that?
Agreed
lmao yes I am sure that there are propaganda campaigns targeting a website of chronically online open source nerds, whose active userbase is less than one percent of one percent of Facebook’s. yes.
I know; I was surprised about it too. IDK; maybe they just don’t like to leave stones unturned or something?
And it’s not less than 1% of 1%, it’s 3% of 1%. There are DOZENS of us
It’s not outlandish to say they are extreme Leftists - their sidebar says it straight up:
A lemmy server for, but not limited to, leftists in the Midwest USA
They perhaps could have made it even more clear by naming themselves “Midwest.Leftists” instead of Midwest.Social:-).
OP’s name is also Hella sus.
Oh no! Not what a yiffit user thinks!
Anyway…
I’m just from the Midwest, don’t compare me to Hexbear. I don’t even know much about it, just that they are always angry.
Does the domain name really matter that much?
I mean this one it is actually true.
I know I’ll get downvotes to hell for saying this, but I think RFK would make a great president.
I know he’s said some shit before. I’m aware of the ivermectin solution against COVID and some other bad stuff he said. But I think he based these ideas on the wrong information and wrong advice that he received. But his heart is at the right place.
He’s done some great work at defending the environment and defending workers’ rights and fight against corporations, which are things he genuinely cares about very much.
I think with the proper counsel that white horse experts can provide him, he can be a very good president.
One of the main jobs of the president is assigning work to other people. The president isn’t supposed to be the best economist, the best strategist, the top scientist, or the best trade planner. They’re supposed to make decisions based on the input of the people they selected for the position.
My biggest concern with Bernie (who is someone I absolutely admire and who I’ve supported for decades) is that he is total crap at picking staff and then he stays loyal to them.
There’s a tendency in western political philosophy that basically says that the king himself is a good person, but he has bad advisors. This is done for ego-saving, as people would rather criticize advisors than the king.
RFK is truly unhinged. He’s a conspiracy theorist. He’s the weird uncle you don’t invite to Thanksgiving. I wouldn’t let him house sit for me. If the guy can’t even win over his family members, I don’t think he’s promising. He’s being funded to run as a spoiler by the opposition, and I expect his support to plummet as soon as he’s actually put in front of a mic and gets national attention. Remember when Herman Cain was the Republican front runner until people figured out more about him? I think this is basically that.
I’d actually really like to see how he would fare in a debate. I’d really like to hear what he has to say.
I think the media is giving him a bad rap on purpose because American media is so biased and is completely bought by the Democrats or Republicans.
Also, for the record, I’m not American or living in America. So I’m from the outside looking in. I’ve read some of the stuff RFK said and it doesn’t sound like he’s unhinged or a conspiracy theorist. Except for the death of JFK and his father and how that was the CIA. But, I wouldn’t even be surprised if that was true. America’s so fucked up.
Also, for the record, I’m not American or living in America.
Makes sense, because you definitely sound like someone trying to undermine US interests by stumping for this guy
Yeah. I’m a Russian disinformation agent working towards the fall of American democracy.
/s
I don’t really think you are a Russian disinformation agent; my statement was an attempt to point out that you were at the very least playing the part of a useful pawn for people who want to undermine our election.
However, if you genuinely think that RFK jr is worthy of consideration in this election, I genuinely think you’re an idiot.
Maybe I am an idiot. I’d be willing to admit it if I was presented with the evidence that RFK is a complete crackpot.
But I have a gut feeling that there’s something bigger at play here and that the American media, which is extremely biased in general towards either the Democrats or the Republicans, might actually be doing a smear campaign against him because he is very much anti-capitalist. Or at least anti-corporation.
He has been praised in the past for doing good deeds for working class people and the environment and fighting the system.
On the other hand, the pandemic really had brought out the worst in some people. And maybe that was the case with RFK. I’m still learning more about him.
For example, I’ve distanced myself from one of my best friends from childhood since the pandemic because of his views on vaccines and mask mandates and every other measures implemented and all the conspiracies surrounding them. I’ve been encouraging people to get vaxxed and to follow the measures in place because I knew it was for our collective best interest and to help minimize infections and deaths and allow us to get out of that pandemic as quickly as we could. That period really brought out the worst in him and that was mostly because he started to follow more conservative channels, and the whole internet algorithms simply pulled him further down that path.
But I have a gut feeling that there’s something bigger at play here and that the American media, which is extremely biased in general towards either the Democrats or the Republicans, might actually be doing a smear campaign against him because he is very much anti-capitalist. Or at least anti-corporation.
The reason it’s always D vs R is systemic. Our election system punishes similar candidates that run against each other. Because of this, our political parties are more like coalitions, made up of a number of different groups who strategically send out only one candidate, which is decided in primary elections.
As a result, the people who end up running third party for president are usually delusional, looking for attention, or intentional spoilers. So the fact that RFK jr has a screw loose is not surprising, and I would be more concerned about a conspiracy if our media elevated him to the level of the other candidates when it is undeserved and detrimental.
To your last point, we always said that at least GWB had “good advisors” but that just made him easier to manipulate. I don’t think it’s bad that we expect the president of the whole country to be smart. I want them to be smarter than me!
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