Yeah the problem is if you want to actually win you can’t just keep saying it’s the most important election and you have to vote for us or else over and over again. People will get desensitized eventually and stop caring and then the fascists will win. You have to do good things that make people want to vote for you and judging by public opinion Biden has not been doing the best at that. (This isn’t how I feel, I’m still gonna vote for him to stop Trump and I think people should vote for Biden. I’m just saying why average people who aren’t this dialed into politics aren’t gonna keep voting and that will be the downfall of Biden.)
Well, they don’t “just” keep saying it, it’s just a thing that Democrats say sometimes that far-left children like to fixate on like its the only thing being said. There have been numerous well reasoned arguments this election cycle for voting for Biden, if for some reason you were in a coma from 2017-2020 and don’t have any frame of reference for what we’re up against.
There are millions of reasons (every undocumented immigrant that Trump wants to genocide, for starters) that you should vote for Biden in November. I’m tired of people being reductive and acting like the situation isn’t dire right now. Anyone with a functioning brain should be in agreement about, of the options we have, which one we should take.
Biden, despite his many flaws, has done more for the working class than any president in my lifetime. The people on the left pretending that there’s no compelling reason to vote for him are fucking morons, especially those who insist that Trump is somehow the same.
and that will be the downfall of Biden
Just remember, when Trump wins like you want him to, and Fascism takes over, just like history books today point the finger quite deservedly at apathetic Germans who let the Nazis win, future generations are going to point their fingers at the likes of people like you, who decided that Trump wasn’t worth defeating - and there’s literally only one way we keep him out of the White House next year.
The problem with people like you is that there are no gray areas. Everything is black or white.
There’s pros and cons to each candidate and I hate to tell you there are more pros with Biden than there are cons compared to any other available candidate. Albeit the con is pretty major.
But I think Biden is pretty fucking pissed at Netanyahu. They’re just playing politics at this point. But deep down he hates the guy.
I literally said that none of that was how I personally felt. It’s just observations I’ve made from looking at polls and talking to people who are less engaged in politics. I’m still voting for Biden and want him to win. I’m just giving reasons how Biden currently isn’t doing good among voters who are getting fatigued with the whole “most important election ever” rhetoric. And yes there are other issues the Democrats use for messaging like abortion which is a very popular point but on more recent issues like the war in Gaza (which he looks bad on no matter what side of the issue you’re on) he has been loosing support from younger voters which are a pretty key demographic if he wants to win. Then there’s the economy which even though everyone is saying it’s doing better most people I talk to are still spending more than before and wages haven’t gone up to match and plenty of people I know are struggling to get jobs after mass layoffs at various tech companies. These aren’t the kinds of things that might make someone vote for Trump but instead just check out of politics cause either option things are still gonna get worse. And on a final note people like you who immediately accuse anyone who criticizes Biden of wanting Trump to win aren’t helping, you just make the Biden side look crazy like the Trump side. I can want Biden to win to not have Trump in office while still criticizing Biden and wanting him to do better.
I’ve been hearing that it’s the most important election of my lifetime since at least 2008. The problem is that this kind of rhetoric becomes meaningless over time. The Democrats need to stop telling people it’s the most important election of their lives and starting telling them why it’s important. “The policies that Trump is advocating for are literally fascism, and the right-wing extremists in the Supreme Court won’t stop him,” carries a lot more weight than, “Hey, I know I say this a lot, but this is actually a once in a lifetime, super important election.”
he Democrats need to stop telling people it’s the most important election of their lives and starting telling them why it’s important. “The policies that Trump is advocating for are literally fascism, and the right-wing extremists in the Supreme Court won’t stop him,” carries a lot more weight than, “Hey, I know I say this a lot, but this is actually a once in a lifetime, super important election.”
LOL, name a single sitting Democrat that has said that. Every day I listen to left-leaning pundits avoid the word fascism or talk about Trump’s batshit policies like he’s just another Republican. When is Nancy Pelosi going to go on Meet the Press and say, “Donald Trump is preparing a fascist movement that will end American democracy?” It’s great that Liberals and Leftists of Lemmy agree on this one, but somebody should tell the party leadership.
They keep wanting their voters to feel that way, while apparently not being bothered enough to do something about it themselves. Like, are we supposed to believe that this election could plunge the US into 1000 years of darkness, but at the same time we absolutely cannot stop supporting a genocide halfway across the world, even if that may well make the difference in the election?
You don’t think anyone was saying it in 2008 or 2004 or 1996 or 1984? Nevermind the off-years, the municipal elections, the special elections, the judicial elections, the time when your favorite politician is on a singing show…
The problem is that fascism keeps gaining territory
Isn’t it curious that Democrats can hold every branch of the federal government in 2008 only to watch fascism grow out of control on their watch? And then, by 2016, the cancer is everywhere, so we need to vote them all out. But the people we’re voting for won’t do a fucking thing to keep ACB off the bench for three months. So there goes the Courts. And then they’ve got Congressional majorities and the Presidency in 2021, but… oops, again! Can’t prosecute Trump. Can’t prosecute DeSantis. Can’t prosecute Ken Paxton. Can’t even prosecute Rudy fucking Guiliani.
And now we’re back in 2024, begging for votes, because we need one more shot to do our fucking jobs, please, please, PLEASE, just one more vote, we promise this time it’ll be different!
Only this time, we’re sending 2000 lb bunker busters to Israel so they can slaughter Palestinians, while our candidate of choice is getting up in front of college crowds to tell them that any kind of protest is an illegal form of antisemitism. And the entire pitch for the Presidency this time around appears to be “If you don’t vote for me, the wealthiest people in the country will hit the big Heat Up The Planet button until we all bake to death (but even if you do they still might)”.
Just because they’ve said this 3 elections in a row doesn’t mean it hasn’t been true each time.
The problem is that fascism keeps gaining territory, and eventually it will be the last election you get to vote in.
Yeah the problem is if you want to actually win you can’t just keep saying it’s the most important election and you have to vote for us or else over and over again. People will get desensitized eventually and stop caring and then the fascists will win. You have to do good things that make people want to vote for you and judging by public opinion Biden has not been doing the best at that. (This isn’t how I feel, I’m still gonna vote for him to stop Trump and I think people should vote for Biden. I’m just saying why average people who aren’t this dialed into politics aren’t gonna keep voting and that will be the downfall of Biden.)
Well, they don’t “just” keep saying it, it’s just a thing that Democrats say sometimes that far-left children like to fixate on like its the only thing being said. There have been numerous well reasoned arguments this election cycle for voting for Biden, if for some reason you were in a coma from 2017-2020 and don’t have any frame of reference for what we’re up against.
There are millions of reasons (every undocumented immigrant that Trump wants to genocide, for starters) that you should vote for Biden in November. I’m tired of people being reductive and acting like the situation isn’t dire right now. Anyone with a functioning brain should be in agreement about, of the options we have, which one we should take.
Biden, despite his many flaws, has done more for the working class than any president in my lifetime. The people on the left pretending that there’s no compelling reason to vote for him are fucking morons, especially those who insist that Trump is somehow the same.
Just remember, when Trump wins like you want him to, and Fascism takes over, just like history books today point the finger quite deservedly at apathetic Germans who let the Nazis win, future generations are going to point their fingers at the likes of people like you, who decided that Trump wasn’t worth defeating - and there’s literally only one way we keep him out of the White House next year.
Just remember when you vote for a Genocide Joe you support genocide no matter how much you cry about Trump.
Harm reduction. Read about it, or have someone with more than two brain cells explain it to you.
Lots of you orange cats already spouting it on here. It’s still voting for genocide no matter how you dress it up. You are the baddie.
The problem with people like you is that there are no gray areas. Everything is black or white.
There’s pros and cons to each candidate and I hate to tell you there are more pros with Biden than there are cons compared to any other available candidate. Albeit the con is pretty major.
But I think Biden is pretty fucking pissed at Netanyahu. They’re just playing politics at this point. But deep down he hates the guy.
I literally said that none of that was how I personally felt. It’s just observations I’ve made from looking at polls and talking to people who are less engaged in politics. I’m still voting for Biden and want him to win. I’m just giving reasons how Biden currently isn’t doing good among voters who are getting fatigued with the whole “most important election ever” rhetoric. And yes there are other issues the Democrats use for messaging like abortion which is a very popular point but on more recent issues like the war in Gaza (which he looks bad on no matter what side of the issue you’re on) he has been loosing support from younger voters which are a pretty key demographic if he wants to win. Then there’s the economy which even though everyone is saying it’s doing better most people I talk to are still spending more than before and wages haven’t gone up to match and plenty of people I know are struggling to get jobs after mass layoffs at various tech companies. These aren’t the kinds of things that might make someone vote for Trump but instead just check out of politics cause either option things are still gonna get worse. And on a final note people like you who immediately accuse anyone who criticizes Biden of wanting Trump to win aren’t helping, you just make the Biden side look crazy like the Trump side. I can want Biden to win to not have Trump in office while still criticizing Biden and wanting him to do better.
I’ve been hearing that it’s the most important election of my lifetime since at least 2008. The problem is that this kind of rhetoric becomes meaningless over time. The Democrats need to stop telling people it’s the most important election of their lives and starting telling them why it’s important. “The policies that Trump is advocating for are literally fascism, and the right-wing extremists in the Supreme Court won’t stop him,” carries a lot more weight than, “Hey, I know I say this a lot, but this is actually a once in a lifetime, super important election.”
What do you think we’ve been saying.
LOL, name a single sitting Democrat that has said that. Every day I listen to left-leaning pundits avoid the word fascism or talk about Trump’s batshit policies like he’s just another Republican. When is Nancy Pelosi going to go on Meet the Press and say, “Donald Trump is preparing a fascist movement that will end American democracy?” It’s great that Liberals and Leftists of Lemmy agree on this one, but somebody should tell the party leadership.
Forreal lol, it’s like when Trump would learn some basic, middle-school level fact and then would talk about it and say, “No one knew this!”
They keep wanting their voters to feel that way, while apparently not being bothered enough to do something about it themselves. Like, are we supposed to believe that this election could plunge the US into 1000 years of darkness, but at the same time we absolutely cannot stop supporting a genocide halfway across the world, even if that may well make the difference in the election?
You don’t think anyone was saying it in 2008 or 2004 or 1996 or 1984? Nevermind the off-years, the municipal elections, the special elections, the judicial elections, the time when your favorite politician is on a singing show…
Isn’t it curious that Democrats can hold every branch of the federal government in 2008 only to watch fascism grow out of control on their watch? And then, by 2016, the cancer is everywhere, so we need to vote them all out. But the people we’re voting for won’t do a fucking thing to keep ACB off the bench for three months. So there goes the Courts. And then they’ve got Congressional majorities and the Presidency in 2021, but… oops, again! Can’t prosecute Trump. Can’t prosecute DeSantis. Can’t prosecute Ken Paxton. Can’t even prosecute Rudy fucking Guiliani.
And now we’re back in 2024, begging for votes, because we need one more shot to do our fucking jobs, please, please, PLEASE, just one more vote, we promise this time it’ll be different!
Only this time, we’re sending 2000 lb bunker busters to Israel so they can slaughter Palestinians, while our candidate of choice is getting up in front of college crowds to tell them that any kind of protest is an illegal form of antisemitism. And the entire pitch for the Presidency this time around appears to be “If you don’t vote for me, the wealthiest people in the country will hit the big Heat Up The Planet button until we all bake to death (but even if you do they still might)”.
Cool cool cool. Love democracy.