• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    Even if we assume for the sake of the argument that your ridiculous assertion is true, “Let’s do fascism faster” is exactly the kind of bootlicking take I would expect from a tankie.

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      Never said I was a tankie bruh. A party that bases itself on a slightly more gentle fascism isn’t the cart we should be attaching ourselves to.

      It will never ever be the right election for y’all liberal centrists who shit post on left folks. It is always the next one. Point is, if we want to be rid of this fucking fascist shit, we have to build solidarity with the left.

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        Never said I was a tankie bruh.

        Didn’t realize that I wasn’t allowed to point out tankie behavior like “Faster fascism Good, Actually” unless the poster self-identified, thank you for the information.

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          Idealism is great when you use it to fight for a better world.

          Idealism is privileged when you use it to deny any reduction in harm as not being ‘good enough’ to permit.

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          What is ideal about 40 years of two-party neoliberal movement to the right bringing us to the brink of fascism?

          What is privileged about not having healthcare security, job security, in endless war, the environment going to pot, rent exploding, deregulation, ballooning prison numbers, speculative housing markets? Honestly it feels like the privileged who cannot imagine anything different than the bipartisan system that pits us (those on the left and liberals) against each other.

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            Idealism is fun, but it’s so very extremely privileged.

            What is ideal about 40 years of two party neoliberal movement to the right bringing us to the brink of fascism?

            Jesus. At least work on your reading comprehension before responding.

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        Not interested in the whole yelling at each other thing, so genuinely asking here. What exactly does not voting democrat get the left in the US? Is the OP’s assumption that you want to accelerate fascism actually correct?

        So far I haven’t seen any reason other than either accelerationism or “because it makes me feel bad” and I refuse to believe that’s all that’s behind it.

        I’m really having a hard time, and I genuinely think it’s important to try to understand the points of view and beliefs of those we disagree with, rather than immediately turning to infighting.

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            I can’t tell if you’re mocking me, I don’t know how much clearer I can be that I just want to know why, if I can’t understand why people think it’s a good idea then I can’t be sure that my views/opinions are actually worth anything.

            If you just don’t want to talk to me then, that’s okay too.

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            Is this a bot? This reply doesn’t make any sense.

            What are you agreeing with? They asked you for more information.

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              I was agreeing with not shitting on the left and the need for an attempt to understand them. Not a lot of good faith attempts at understanding happening here, just a lot of bullying.

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          Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations. If they can’t earn votes a new party will form. It’s happened before and it will happen again. That’s why they message with fear. It’s effective at turning off any critical thinking.

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            Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations.

            Tell me more about the political free market under Project 2025.

            In fact, tell me more about how quickly firms rise and fall in the free market. It’s instantaneous, right?

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          Shifts the policies of the Democratic party so that they appeal to leftists. Not going to get into an ongoing debate, but just so you can’t say you haven’t seen any other reasons (which sounds fake to me but okay).

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              Bullying is when people say something I don’t like, and the more I don’t like it, the more bullying it is.

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                This is bullying lol, very disingenuous to the actual situation. Come on.

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                  Oh good, you’ve asserted that saying something you don’t like is bullying. That truly confirms it, then.

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                    Do you think that sarcastic responses are proving your assertion that there isn’t any bullying going on?

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            I appreciate it. I’m not here to debate you and I have no reason to lie about not having seen anything else, though I’m honestly a bit hurt that you think that, but I guess you’ve been nothing but attacked so far so perhaps it’s understandable.

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        He just calls anyone to the left of him a tankie. He has no clue what it actually means.

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            Oh? Where’s the genocide? Point it out. You guys started this talking point a month ago and nobody has given even an attempt at rationalizing this talking point. You just sound like the guy on the street with a cardboard sign ranting at god. And even better there’s a real one going on right now that Biden is supporting. This wouldn’t be you trying your hand at some Good Old Projection would it?

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              Oh? Where’s the genocide? Point it out.

              Oh, let me get this straight, you’re denying that Trump is genocidal now?

              Please, I want this on record.

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                  Show me then.

                  Thank you for confirming that you don’t believe Trump is genocidal. I’ll remember this for future reference. It’s a very common fascist talking point, that their strongman of choice isn’t REALLY genocidal.

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                    Go ahead. Don’t be surprised if someone shows me actual evidence and I change my position. It’s how rational people operate.