The government should not have this level of power. Executive Order or legislation, it doesn’t matter, a sports league should be able to set its own policies for membership. As per the Constitutional right to freedom of assembly.
Sports: more inclusive than the government since 1947.
This sounds like a good way to foster vast inequality. You’ll have good places where people are included and able to grow up into reasonable people, then you’ll have other places where people are utterly ostracized and never even have a chance. This isn’t some magical capitalist world where people can just pick up and move to wherever is ‘best’, there will be people who are stuck. When those people don’t have the resources they need, the cycle will just end up perpetuating again, and the inequality builds on itself.
The government has to have the ability to keep rogue states from declaring swathes of the population as second class citizens. Yes, there’s the obvious downside of “What happens if” - but we’re in this together and we have to try for the only tenable solution. That growing inequality will affect the ‘good’ areas, even if they put their fingers in their ears and say “lalalalalala not my problem”.
right of the people peaceably to assemble…
hm what’s your opinion on sundown towns i wonder
Not a fan.
Is roller derby a real sport? I always figured it was more performance than sport like pro wrestling.
Yes, it’s a real sport.
A badass one at that. Their athleticism and reflexes are unreal.
Roller derby in the 70s was likely scripted. Modern roller derby is almost definitely not. Tons of legit athleticism and power out there.
It’s a little dated by now, but watch Blood on the Flat Track. It’s about the Roller Derby resurgence from 15ish years ago.
Even if scripted, roller derby in the 70’s took athleticisms and power. I agree the sport of roller derby is different now, but practitioners of the past deserve respect. The level of training/conditioning in all sports is very different now, does not mean past practitioners were not athletes. Comparisons across eras is difficult because standards change.
It is definitely a sport, although every time I’ve tried to watch it, I’ve been confused as hell. Even reading the rules confuses me. But I don’t doubt it’s actually as sport. Cricket is a sport and it’s really confusing too.
Cricket is a sport
Is it, though? Really?
Just kidding, I know cricket is a sport. Somehow simultaneously boring and nonsensical, but a sport nonetheless 🤷
Considering Golf and Archery are considered sports as well
There’s a simplified, and faster, version called Twenty20 cricket which I kind of understand after watching a couple of games, but I’m still relatively confused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty20
I want to understand cricket. Something about a sport so complicated that most of the world is totally befuddled by it, but yet it is super popular in a lot of Commonwealth countries and independent former British colonies, intrigues me. But I’ve pretty much given up.
I know about Twenty20 and, while nowhere near as bad as Test Cricket, it’s still basically bizarre baseball for damaged people pining for the “good” old days of more blatant British imperialism 😉
Btw, who the fuck calls the absolute pinnacle of excellence in their sport “test”? Ffs! 😄
I have long been puzzled by the word “Test” being used also. Best I can figure is that a Cricket match is a test of of the players know how to play correctly and a test for the fans in watching a whole match.
a test for the fans in watching a whole match
I’d fail that test SO hard! A single match takes up to five days with 6 hours of play each day!
That’s two and a half times as long as the LOTR extended edition, for ONE match of inbred baseball!
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted for asking an honest question. You asked it in good faith.
Starting to think you people just can’t live without having something to be angry with.
My hypothesis: corporate social media has trained us to be combative for engagement, and our habits/attitudes haven’t fully adapted to fediverse yet.
They say getting angry over imagined Internet points.
Pro soccer is more performance than pro wrestling but we call that a sport
tell me you have never watched a professional soccer game without telling me you have never watched a professional soccer game…
There’s a lotta sportsball people on here
I also feel superior to others by disparaging their hobbies.
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Not my hobby, I love sports! My Phillies have the best record in baseball right now!
Sports ball is the best ball
Tell me you’ve never seen Neymar roll about on the pitch without telling me you’ve never seen Neymar rolling about on the pitch…
Fun fact: Neymar is an anomaly, not the norm. Pretending otherwise is just prejudice stemming from cherry picking and/or ignorance.
Ive never watched a professional soccer game, Ill just tell you that. But I do watch American football and enjoy playful ribbing more than you.
Ha, I knew it.
Pro soccerFootball is moreperformanceentertaining than pro wrestling butwe call thatit’s still a sportThere, fixed it for you.
Go watch a roller derby event. It’s pretty fun and mostly chaos. But there’s some real skill and strategy involved.
You need to watch this incredibly accurate historical movie on the topic
Pro wrestling isn’t real?
Its very real Source: I’ve been officiating it for 13 years
“But what about the sanctity of women’s sports?” - People with no interest whatsoever in women’s sports.
Yup. The very same people who regularly mock women’s sport.
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If a 5ft trans woman who started transitioning when she was a teen faces off against a 6ft cis volleyball player, should the cis woman be not allowed to compete?
What about cis olympians? They all have natural advantages that make their ability to compete at high levels possible, why are you not calling for them to be banned? Britney Griner is a giant at nearly 7ft, surely she shouldn’t be allowed to compete when she has such a innate advantage over your average cis woman, right?
Didn’t you read what they wrote? The men would always win. I’m a 5’9" 180-pound cishet man and if I play basketball against Britney Griner, I will definitely win. For sure.
Oh, they meant professional sports? Well I guarantee you that there’s literally no possibility that Britney Griner could beat the worst player out of the ~550 men in the NBA. No possibility. Britney Griner is definitely worse than all of those 550 men. Because she has a vagina.
Edit: The blatant sarcasm in my post was undermined by a mod deleting the post I was replying to. Oh well.
It kind of borders on delusion if I’m being honest.
Remember when everyone was completely losing their shit about Laurel Hubbard, the trans powerlifter who had qualified for the olympics? Remember how everyone was claiming she was going to smash records and take the gold etc.?
Now, what did we see in reality? Laurel Hubbard didn’t even place. She got beat out by her cis competitors, she broke no records, she fell within the same range of ability as cis women.
Where does this fact leave people’s theory about “the men will always win”?
Edit: I see now you were being sarcastic. In any case I’ll leave the response as is, since people do think like that. Changed it to be a less pointy, lol.
Yes, very much sarcastic. I am always annoyed by this ‘men will always beat women in sports’ talking point.
The problem with sarcasm here is that most men believe they can play tennis on par with the Williams sisters. At least according to some survey I saw years ago.
I don’t think I can play tennis on par with the Williams brothers. 92-year-old John Williams and his brother Jerry, who may or may not be alive, but who is apparently younger than him. And even if he was dead, he’d still probably beat me at tennis.
I assume Serena or Venus Williams would just serve the ball at such a speed that, when I fail to hit it back and accidentally stand in its way, it will go straight through my skull and embed itself into the wall behind me and she’d just win by automatic forfeit.
What the fuck is this sexist bullshit?
Girls beat boys at basketball all the time. Boys are too fucking fragile to accept it: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/07/1161727783/a-girls-basketball-team-had-to-play-boys-then-werent-allowed-trophies-after-winn
Griner would wipe the floor with you.
I would have thought the sarcasm was blatantly obvious.
Mods removed the original comment, so now your comment reads as sincere.
That explains it then. Thanks.
Even if he wasn’t being sarcastic, these are children. Not full grown adults
What’s your point?
Girls mature faster than boys
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Yes, the rules that have been in place about transition time have served fine since even before right-wingers politicized trans people’s existence.
The irrational part is to try and create blanket bans based solely on the fact that an athlete is trans.
It completely ignores the fact that trans biology falls on a very wide spectrum and is dependent on numerous factors. It doesn’t make sense to treat trans athletes as their assigned at birth sex because their biology is literally no longer that of their birth gender. It varies by degrees, but it is no more fair to ban a cis woman for being tall than it is to ban a trans woman for being the same height.
So no, it is not transphobic to have rules and regulations specific to trans athletes when it comes to competitive level sports (whatever experts and committees decide is fair based on actual data) it is transphobic to just outright ban trans people based solely on that status and ignore the biological reality of the individual and whether or not they fall within the range of cis competitors (spoiler, most do).
It’s really stupid for people to get this outraged about a tiny percentage of the population, an even smaller percentage of which actually compete at high levels.
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Cis women and trans women have been found to have comparable performance in sports. Generally, cis women have an advantage over trans women.
I’m sure that you’ll be objective and apply the same reasoning against cis women now that you know they have a physical advantage over other women.
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What the hell are you on about?
You know what, go ahead and list these record settings. I want to see them.
Omit “school record” or any regional / divisional / age related records. Those get set and broke constantly. Show me ACTUAL records. World records. Professional league records.
Insofar as I know, there’s been two trans folk to make it to the Olympics. One is Quinn, AFAB soccer midfielder who is nb. Their team won gold in the 2020 Olympics.
The other is Laurel Hubbard of New Zealand, who was competing in weightlifting, which I think we can agree is either the most ideal or close to the most ideal situation for conservatives and TERF’s to push their nonsense takes wrt trans folks in sports. Laurel failed her three lift attempts and placed last in her group.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to say in either of those two cases the trans person was malicious or “cheating” somehow.
Thanks. It was a genuine question. I’ve never heard of a single trans person who has set such a record.
Every time I hear stuff on the news it’s “Trans girl shatters high school record”. Given that there are basically thousands of possible records per grade per school, I would absolutely expect a few records to be set by trans girls. The thousands of records set per year by cis girls goes unrecognized and unreported.
Whenever cis girls succeed, they’re ignored. Whenever transgender people succeed, they’re punished. Whenever they fail, they’re still punished.
Quinn was AFAB and has not taken testosterone.
Wikipedia ID’s them as trans, so they’re on the very short list of trans olympic athletes.
That may be but since they haven’t done any chemical transition it’s entirely irrelevant. What all these shitlords get up up in arms about is MTF.
That must be why we’ve repeatedly seen instances where trans women set records within the women’s category of their respective sport! Because it’s all equal and impossible for a trans woman to have an advantage.
Name three.
“The entire reason for women’s sports is…”
…is actually because they were banned from playing sports until 1974, and then when allowed starting beating some men’s teams and the men bellyached about it.
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That is the case in modern sports science, yes, but the interesting thing - at least to me is - that’s not what happened in real life.
That may be the case now but that is not how it came to be.
