• EatATaco@lemm.ee
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    Why is that a criticism? This is how it works for humans too: we study, we learn the stuff, and then try to recall it during tests. We’ve been trained on the data too, for neither a human nor an ai would be able to do well on the test without learning it first.

    This is part of what makes ai so “scary” that it can basically know so much.

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      Dont anthropomorphise. There is quite the difference between a human and an advanced lookuptable.

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        I absolutely agree. However, if you think the LLMs are just fancy LUTs, then I strongly disagree. Unless, of course, we are also just fancy LUTs.

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          You ever meet an ai researcher with a background in biology? I’ve discussed this stuff with one. She disagrees with Turing about machines thinking including when ai is in the picture. They process information very differently from how biology does

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        I guess it comes down to a philosophical question as to what “know” actually means.

        But from my perspective is that it certainly knows some things. It knows how to determine what I’m asking, and it clearly knows how to formulate a response by stitching together information. Is it perfect? No. But neither are humans, we mistakenly believe we know things all the time, and miscommunications are quite common.

        But this is why I asked the follow up question…what’s the effective difference? Don’t get me wrong, they clearly have a lot of flaws right now. But my 8 year old had a lot of flaws too, and I assume both will get better with age.

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          nearly every word of your post demonstrates a comprehensively thorough lack of understanding of how this shit works

          it also demonstrates why you’re lost about the “effective difference”

          I don’t mean this aggressively, but you really don’t have any concrete idea of wtf you’re talking about, and it shows

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          i guess it comes down to a philosophical question

          no, it doesn’t, and it’s not a philosophical question (and neither is this a question of philosophy).

          the software simply has no cognitive capabilities.

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            I’m not sure I agree, but then it goes to my second question:

            What’s the effective difference?

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              (…) perception, attention, thought, imagination, intelligence, comprehension, the formation of knowledge, memory and working memory, judgment and evaluation, reasoning and computation, problem-solving and decision-making (…)

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              don’t know why you got downvoted, an LLM is essentially a chinese room, and whether such a room “knows” is still the question.

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          Yeah, it’s a philosophical question, which means you need a philosophical answer. Spitballing won’t help you figure shit out a priori because it turns out that learning how to think a priori effectively takes years of hard graft and is called “studying philosophy”. You should be asking people like me what “know” means in this context and what distinguishes memory in human beings from “memory” in an LLM (a great deal, as it happens!)

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            The dehumanization that happens just because people think LLMs are impressive (they are, just not that impressive) is insane.

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              need to be able to think LLM’s are impressive, probably

              surely tech will save us all, right?