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        He means it used to be pure political suicide for anyone in congress to say a word about not funding and defending Israel no matter what war criminal shit they got up to, and now we have a Palestinian congresswoman who says stuff like “from the river to the sea” and no AIPAC-funded candidate has primaried her yet.

        I’ll fully agree with you that it remains to be seen how much of that will turn into anything substantive the US decides to do to stop the killing, but the political landscape is definitely way way different than it used to be.

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    Call your reps and get them to join into to the demand

    40 reps is not enough to make it happen

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    We’ll that’s interesting. She’s as mainstream as Democrats come. I was wondering a few days ago if Israel had had it’s Walter Cronkite moment with this strike. I guess I’ll be cautiously optimistic for a few days.

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    Lol these people were sleeping till now because it was just a bunch of brown people getting murdered en-mass. The moment some white folk died they care.

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      Not just sleeping.

      Pelosi herself accused protesters advocating for this exact thing of being “paid by Putin” back when it was “just” tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians and hundreds of Israel-critical journalists being murdered by the fascist apartheid regime…

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      True, however, when you’re asking for political change you don’t refuse the help of politicians switching sides. Especially senior ones, because they may be doing a trial balloon. And if the public refuses them they won’t see an upside to continuing that change. Instead they will retreat and focus on their base. So on the off chance this is a real attempt to shift policy we should be nicer to her for a minute. Show the mainstream democrats that we’re willing to vote for them if they meet us.

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      After being called out on profiting off this genocide, she heroically attempted to repair optics around her

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        Exactly, she’s probably made a huge profit selling her defence contractor shares and now she wants Biden to stop, so the price tanks and she can buy them back again cheap, to sell at the next war

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      Almost, unfortunately:

      halt the the transfer of weapons to Israel until a full investigation into the airstrike was completed.

      They aren’t concerned with the thousands of children in the rubble, just the few white people that were killed.

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    I’ll wait and see if anything actually happens. When Bibi calls their bluff yet again by continuing the genocide with added aid worker deaths and embassy bombings, will he face any actual consequences?

    I’m guessing no. This is all theater. The status quo will be maintained at all costs.

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      Halt transfers until the investigation is completed.

      Israel’s own investigation, that is.

      And starting back up again doesn’t even depend on the outcome.

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    Are not all these weapon transfers laws that have already been voted on months and even years ago sometimes? Didn’t she probably vote for some of these?

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      The laws include stopping transfers to anyone who the president determines to be interfering with [US] humanitarian aid.

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      Not quite that simple - authorization was voted on long ago in some cases but it’s up to the executive branch how and when to actually send them. They’re usually approved in big blocks which go out over time on no required-by-law schedule.

      I think she probably voted for them back when being for Israel was a way to get votes, and now being for Israel is a way to lose votes, and now she’s alarmed and deeply concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people, all of a sudden. Whatever. If it leads to less support for Israel I’m at least happy that her insider trading ass is on the right side even if only very slightly and only by accident.

      I also 100% agree with whoever it was that said call your representatives and encourage them to get on board too.

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    This one of those “I’m going against it solely because I know opposing it at this point won’t do anything.”

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    Wonder if lemmy’s pro-genocide centrists are gonna start calling Pelosi a Russian now.

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      Looking over the comments I see absolutely no one that is pro genocide. Pretty much all the viewpoints are sensible: Unanimously anti-Israel, sometimes skeptically approving of Pelosi doing something good for once.

      For what reason could you be painting the picture of an outlandish strawman view opposed to your own which doesn’t exist, I wonder

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        Wish it was my first day on lemmy too. Stick around, you’ll see them soon enough

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          My point is that his coming in here saying “genocide is bad!” is meeting with 0 resistance but instead full throated agreement from everybody, yet he’s still claiming there must be pro genocide people, I guess implying that is the only reason anyone could possibly disagree with him on other issues, or accuse him of being a Russian plant (*), is that they like genocide and for no factual well reasoned reason

          (*) Or, more generally, dishonest; I have no idea if he’s Russian specifically or not

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            My point is that his coming in here saying “genocide is bad!” is meeting with 0 resistance

            What unmitigated horseshit. You dare call me dishonest after posting this lie. I’ve attracted the attention of lemmy’s two most strident supporters of Netanyahu’s genocide. I don’t like mentioning downvotes, but you brought up resistance. Have a look at how many genocide loving centrists took personal offense at my speculation about Pelosi and downvoted me.

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              So then I said, you’re conflating someone disagreeing with you which lots of people do for valid reasons, with supporting genocide which pretty much no one on Lemmy does.

              And then you said, how DARE you say no one supports genocide when so many people are disagreeing with me, which by definition means they’re pro genocide.

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                So then I said, you’re conflating someone disagreeing with you which lots of people do for valid reasons, with supporting genocide which pretty much no one on Lemmy does.

                They don’t tell me their “valid reasons.” They just scream the usual garbage “Russian Chinese Tankie Republican child shill bot” shit that centrists say when they can’t actually argue their point.

                What “valid reasons” are there to support the continued sales of weapons that are being used for genocide?

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                  So then I said, dude no one’s actually supporting genocide

                  And then you said la la la, I can’t HEEAR you, they’re such bad unreasonable people all these people in the thread who love Israel’s war and want the weapons flow to continue, like look at the top 3 comments in this thread for example and see how not at all unanimous is the “genocide bad” consensus, that’s totally exactly why people are downvoting me is because they love love love genocide sooooo much

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        Looking over the comments I see absolutely no one that is pro genocide

        I’ve successfully summoned two so far.

        “Wonder if” are the first two words of my comment. I was speculating.

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    Biden will do anything that doesn’t stop the flow of money to the MIC. I guess taking the money and then NOT giving them weapons is a loophole.