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      Stop expecting perfection.

      Nobody is perfect. MLK had affairs, the founding fathers owned slaves, Churchill was racist AF, etc.

      She’s doing a great job now and we can educate her the same way we turned Obama from anti-gay marriage.

      We should judge people OVERALL not on stuff like being anti-vax (which to be clear is dumb).

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        I don’t expect perfection…? Being anti-vax is a big deal to me. That’s not a harmless ideology. It’s moronic and anti-science. This isn’t just some little thing I disagree with it’s, in my opinion, a huge moral and intellectual failure. I think it’s completely fair that this gets brought up because it’s directly relevant.

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            I wish we lived in a world where we could count on people to just do the right thing but we don’t. On issues that put everyone at risk I unfortunately have to stand on the side of mandates until people learn how to act. Personally I’d still rather that they just get naturally excluded from society but we’re all too split for that and too many people have to needlessly die in the meantime. I’m aware fighting for women’s rights to choose is kind of hypocritical in this situation but nobody has come up with a better solution that doesn’t just let people be wilfully ignorant and get other people killed in the process.

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          Talking about someone’s glaring flaws isn’t the same as expecting perfection. That’s an intillectually lazy way to see it. Wanting people to only sing the praises of anyone is actually expecting your version of perfection.

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              If it’s relevant to the person being discussed it’s fair game imo. Just like it’s fair game to point out her better actions if it’s in a post dunking on her. Famous people are gonna be scrutinized more than the guy working at the gas station that’s just how it goes. I don’t expect perfection but what alternative do you even want here? I’m not down with ignoring bad behavior then because we want their help now. That’ll never sit right with me. If someone is in a position to be emulated by fans and they make the decision to spread dangerous ideology then fuck em. I’m gonna bring it up at every whisper of their name. It’s the closest thing to actual consequences for their actions that most rich/famous people ever get anyway.

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                Why does it matter if it’s relevant to the person, if it’s not relevant to the subject or current event in question?

                To answer your question, the alternative I want here is better working conditions for actors. I view her as working class, not rich. The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars.

                The guys her union is up against actually are rich, and they’re even worse. The working class is being divided and conquered.

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                  To each their own. I’m not willing to give any slack on people that are anti-vax even if I perceive them as being helpful to me at the time.

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      I don’t know man. My dad, my teacher and the fireman have no public presence so they won’t be the face of any media workers’ strike. And at least one of the above is also an anti-vaxx and/or an asshole. This lady is just doing her role and I don’t think it makes much sense to undermine her work on this subject because her poor takes on others.

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          Was he really a great explorer though? The guy dramatically underestimated the size of the earth and he and his crew probably would’ve died from thirst or starvation or whatever if they hadn’t run smack into the new world halfway to India.

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          You say on one hand we should stop putting people on pedestals, but then in the same thought you go on to say that Columbus’ “legacy” was ruined just because he was a bit of a douchebag.

          Like how logically inconsistent are your own thoughts? Columbus was a piece of shit who genocided multiple ethnic groups. He never should have had statues in the first place. He didn’t even find what he was looking for. He was an arrogant fuck who got lucky, and the world probably would have been better off if he drowned at sea.

          And nobody “dragged him through the mud”, they just took a realistic look at who and what he actually is, which is supposedly what you’re proposing.

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              Off color joke =/= genocide. Great footballin < murdering. The people upset about the endangered trees are not the ones burning overpriced athletic shoes made by child slaves.

              I’m going to assume you are a troll, because to do otherwise makes me feel sad.

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      God if there was one message I could forcefully implant into society as a whole it’s this. Well said.

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        Don’t put anyone on a pedestal. Not politicians, not celebrities’, not twitch streamers, not your girlfriend. You can love, respect and even like people, but don’t worship anyone, it leaves you blind to their faults and it’s a pain in the ass being the one on the pedestal in a relationship.

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          You can pass people’s messages around, and the messages that are not about them but that their presence and actions help spread, without putting them on a pedestal.

          Try it for once. It’s fun.

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      Everyone is a little loopy though. We’re all some flavor of hypocrite too.

      I don’t mind celebrities being on a pedestal, because it is a common reference point for us all when discussing virtue or lack thereof.

      We just all need to be reminded that they are still human and stupid in their own way.

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    The Nanny being the one to lead the charge vs Skynet is the exact shit I expect from this current clown timeline.

    And I’m fine with it. Fran Drescher is awesome.

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    Bobbi Flekman confronted the sexism in the Spinal Tap album “Smell the Glove” back when she worked artist relations for Polymer Records in 1982. She has known for years that “Money talks, and bullshit walks”

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    Off topic but she sounded hoarse AF. I dunno if it’s from recent screaming or a pack-a-day habit but it caught me off guard.