- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- science_memes@mander.xyz
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Then everyone clapped
Yeah for real, there’s been another very old tweet that this seems to be based on. Might be real but reads very copied from the previous one.
Link?
Tell me you don’t talk to female academics, lol.
Why did she have to specify the “white male” part?
to trigger insecure white males
Judging from this thread, mission accomplished.
I find it unnecessary. Race/gender/skin color or whatever shouldn’t matter.
Yet somehow it is true that the vast majority of smug people who are confidently wrong are white males. Maybe someday we can have equality in the ratio of being smug while confidently wrong.
The irony of this comment
You know how it goes, not all white males… but almost always it is a white male.
This guy probably wouldn’t have even considered insulting a speaker that way if she wasn’t a woman. In a scientific setting it’s one thing disagreeing with an argument, and attacking the person proposing the argument.
Not true, African American males are just as sexist as white American males.
Yes, but until recently they weren’t even accepted into colleges, were they? Almost like oppression is intersectional or something.
EDIT: refer to my response to Mango. Y’all way stupider/bigoted than I gave you credit for in the first place.
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Because that’s the group most likely to commit misogyny in the workplace? Especially in male dominated fields.
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What about cis white females that identify as centrists?
What about them? Do you have a study to share? Or just making up straw men?
Did you just assume the straw person’s gender?
How did you do your name
On the Lemmy website you can change your display name and it accepts emojis.
NASA Earth meeting
Are there also meetings on other planets?
Duh, it’s NASA, they can fly to the Moon or Mars
They should do a video call instead of flying there for meetings all the time. Much more efficient and cheaper.
Imagine the latency to Mars though
Just use a cable
Some really scientifically based response by ChatGPT
Sending 1MB of data to Mars depends on the distance between Earth and Mars and the data transfer rate, which varies widely. When Earth and Mars are closest, about 54.6 million kilometers apart, using NASA’s Deep Space Network (DSN) as a reference, with rates up to 250 kbps under optimal conditions, it would take approximately 32 seconds to send 1MB. However, this is an ideal scenario, and actual times could be longer due to various factors like signal processing and interplanetary communication delays.
That’s not latency though.
The average ping, or round-trip communication delay, between Earth and Mars varies depending on their relative positions in their orbits. On average, it ranges from about 4 to 24 minutes, due to the vast distance between the two planets. This latency presents significant challenges for real-time communication and coordination between Earth and Mars missions.
I’d be willing to bet this isn’t real.
I’ve been to lots of scientific talks and the idea of someone trying to call put the person talking is kind of ridulous and never happens. You would have to an asshole of the highest calibre to do that. And the fact he mentions a specific paper/person and that just happened to be tbe person speaking and the idea that the speakers name wasn’t listed is just so incredibly unlikely I can’t ever imagine that happening.
This just seems like the kind of thing people fantasing happening, so they can smugly correct them.
To be fair, she didn’t say she was giving a talk, guess it could have been a side conversation. It would seem more likely in a little side conversation.
However, at least when it happened to me, the other person remembered the paper but not the author, so it seems weird to refer to the paper by author. Also it feels weird even if he did remember to throw in the “et al”. It’s extra weird for her to declare that she is “McCarty et al”, since she is saying she is “and others”. It feels like a detail thrown in to make the exchange sound more “sciencey”, when it doesn’t make sense.
Since I had it happen to me, I’m sure it’s happened to other paper writers, but this exchange doesn’t sound like a realistic way for it to go down. So it’s at least massaged for dramatic effect.
I mean, she’s McCarty…
But I feel like this reploat has been around for a decade by now, and it’s always bothered me.
Just sounds like a George Costanaza thing where she thought of this comeback but never in the moment
the hair thing could be drama for the tweet but everything else is not the first time nor the last time that happened, there are others stories like that
I don’t doubt the situation happened, it is common.
But her reaction rarely is, but it’s always the rebuke you think of “in the elevator” afterwards.
That’s the less believable part, that she thought of it and used it in the moment. Quick on your feet thinking is like the opposite skillset of doing hard scientific research
“but that’s me” isn’t that clever of a comeback that its unrealistic.
exactly, if someone said that to me i could totally answer with a “but, i’m (my name)?” with a very confused look and in a less cool way, it’s not that clever
What’s there to be quick about? Someone criticizes you comparing to your work, you tell them you’re the author…
Don’t you understand? It’s not about him. To have a line as perfect as ‘jerk store’ and to never use it. I, I couldn’t live with myself.
Human drivers of fire??
That’s not how “et al” works
Someone call the police!
I am the police.
Colloquially, it is.
Being casually sexist in an anecdote about alleged sexism, ok.
I actually experienced this exact same scenario, where someone accused me of being an idiot on a topic and referenced me to educate myself on a paper that I myself wrote. Dude was a white male, but I am too.
Hilarious because when he threw that at me I told him to look at the author and he doubled down that I was wrong, and I didn’t understand the nuance of the paper I wrote.
Short of it is people can be condescending douches even without sexism.
Particularly in academia, which is a broad field that seems to draw in some seriously smug arseholes.
How is she being sexist exactly?
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If the original sexist behaviour was typically done by women to other women just as often as by men, the gender of the perpetrator wouldn’t matter,.
Fact of the matter is that this kind of shutting women up and taking down to them is overwhelmingly done by men.
That’s true in the business world, academic world, etc.
Considering this, this is a key piece of information about the situation, not a sexist way to blame men.
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What’s this got to do with his skin colour?
Or… is she just racist?
She’s just pointing out that because of his race, the man she was taking to was in a place of social privilege and he should be more mindful of this when talking to under-represented groups in his field, such as women and POC.
Reminding him that his race grants him a level of authority, encourages him not to approach every conversation with the assumption that he is the smartest in the room.
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Honestly, I didn’t think it through. I saw this on Lemmy and thought “It looks like !confidently_incorrect@lemmy.world material and I haven’t seen content from it for some times.” So I crossposted it.
Ooofff
Big L right there
This once again shows how important it is to acknowledge ones own biases and to account for them.
How did she manage to be racist and sexist at the same time? Interesting.
Yeah, she could’ve just said “a post doc”. Imagine if it was “a black woman” instead of “white male” and people would be going ballistic
Because it does not play into stereotypes hence is needlessly specific. Say white man conjures the image of an establishment elitist who has unrealistic standards for being a scientist (being white, male, well off)
Wow. If true, sick slam.
Where do you even go from there?
