For men, a lot of it has to do with personal frustration and several “sources” or “influencers” pointing to communism, cultural marxism, feminism, etc, as the culprits of everything bad going on. Attacking a scapegoat you’ve been led to believe is “the reason” you can’t get a job or a girlfriend is easy and emotionally satisfying.
Thinking, rationalizing and realizing how and why shit’s fucked up, down, left and right doesn’t fill you with good vibes.
If you want an honest answer, it’s that young boys are feeling left behind, and in many ways they are right. This is a longer video (~30min) but it seems in line with much of what I’ve been seeing, that the boys are not alright.
Essentially, as any system begins to give equality to all, it will appear as a loss for those who used to solely benefit from it. That said this is still something to take seriously.
The gender gap is reversed in several areas: in education girls do better than boys. There are more women in university than men. Real wealth of women has been rising while in many demographics (especially poor young men of color) wealth has been decreasing. This is not a 0 sum game, so these are real concerns. 75% of suicides are men, and in their notes it is common to see words like “useless” “unwanted” and “worthless”. They feel that the world is leaving them behind.
This trend is not happening to those in the elite class- that is still very much male dominated, however for many poor men without college degrees, their lives are no longer looking like what they were raised to expect. That same demographic is who you are more likely to see at a trump rally.
This is fertile ground for people like Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate to bring these young men into their world view that women are taking away their futures.
This is where I would say men who are in places of being role models (teachers, mentors, fathers, coaches, pastors, etc…) need to come in and show that there is a new reality for men and that it’s not only okay, it’s better. Being a stay at home dad can be freeing as you may be able to pursue other interests. Showing what leadership is is important, but also showing how to work as a team and under the leadership of a woman is important too and can be fulfilling.
I’m an educator, and one thing I think about is that I want to teach the girls that men are not to be feared, and to teach the boys not to be men to be afraid of. There is a better future ahead, but only if we take action and support the next generation of boys as well as girls. Without this support, we are handing a large portion of disaffected youth to a toxic mindset that will have horrible consequences.
Oddly enough, I could see one of these boys looking at this post and thinking “the left doesn’t care about me, so why would I care about them?”
I really needed to read this this is the best comment I’ve read on this platform and it hits right home. I fell within those circles of alt-right the only thing that saved me was my willingness to accept being wrong and my pragmatism.
Being able to be convinced is a good character trait… there’s such a large amount of people today that have already made up their mind regarding various issues and will not listen to any contrary arguments.
I’m an educator, and one thing I think about is that I want to teach the girls that men are not to be feared, and to teach the boys not to be men to be afraid of.
Thank you. I’m sick of seeing “white men need to step back”. “Oh god, another white man trying to force his opinions on us.” This stuff would be horribly racist if you replace white with black. (except for the black people can’t be racist meme…)
Thank you for putting to words something that’s hard to explain. You’ve given me some talking points I can use towards a friend that tries not to act like he’s alt-right leaning but seems willing to listen.
As someone who lost a friend to that rabbit hole, I really think we should put that far right conspiracy theory between quotation marks when named alongside things that actually exist. Communism and feminism are real (even if they are perceived as demonic by these people, they still at least exist). “Cultural marxism” doesn’t even have entity, it’s just bullshit entirely made up by the usual grifters
Or are the billionaires the scapegoat caused by a system we helped create? They lobby and use greed to get where they have gotten but we enable all of it. If we believe capitalism is beneficial to society we have to accept regulations to keep the money flowing back down. EVERY person that votes against such should be afraid for their lives at every moment period. If they are not it is our failure, not theirs. The lives of the majority are suffering not because Elon Musk is a douche, but because we created a system a douche could take advantage of.
I mean, I’ve seen Reddit bots copy and paste comments from the same post as replies, so, assuming the bot has an equal chance to reply to every comment, I guess replying to the same comment wouldn’t be unheard of if there’s not enough replies.
Why? (And now don’t anyone suggest a bot, because that’s stupid programming for a bot so unlikely, hopefully)
Actually it’s not stupid programming.
AI bot models have to be created from something. It’s not just a human being explicitly telling a bot to do X or Y, they study how other humans make posts, and then mimic them based on their models.
Bots are studying how certain people here on Lemmy (and elsewhere) do comments, and then mimic what they’re doing, to try to blend in. You’ll even see bots replying to bots in like kind, to try to add credibility to the original comment being replied to.
Yeah sure, but if there is a chance my bot one for one copies a comment (and doesn’t cut out anything as often done on/as I often saw done on reddit) I would still add a hard condition of NOT being able to directly reply to the copied comment…
Like reply to another comment in the thread or not at all if there is only one comment or at least one level further down but not directly to my copied source, that’s way too obvious!
For men, a lot of it has to do with personal frustration and several “sources” or “influencers” pointing to communism, cultural marxism, feminism, etc, as the culprits of everything bad going on. Attacking a scapegoat you’ve been led to believe is “the reason” you can’t get a job or a girlfriend is easy and emotionally satisfying.
Thinking, rationalizing and realizing how and why shit’s fucked up, down, left and right doesn’t fill you with good vibes.
If you want an honest answer, it’s that young boys are feeling left behind, and in many ways they are right. This is a longer video (~30min) but it seems in line with much of what I’ve been seeing, that the boys are not alright.
Essentially, as any system begins to give equality to all, it will appear as a loss for those who used to solely benefit from it. That said this is still something to take seriously.
The gender gap is reversed in several areas: in education girls do better than boys. There are more women in university than men. Real wealth of women has been rising while in many demographics (especially poor young men of color) wealth has been decreasing. This is not a 0 sum game, so these are real concerns. 75% of suicides are men, and in their notes it is common to see words like “useless” “unwanted” and “worthless”. They feel that the world is leaving them behind.
This trend is not happening to those in the elite class- that is still very much male dominated, however for many poor men without college degrees, their lives are no longer looking like what they were raised to expect. That same demographic is who you are more likely to see at a trump rally.
This is fertile ground for people like Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate to bring these young men into their world view that women are taking away their futures.
This is where I would say men who are in places of being role models (teachers, mentors, fathers, coaches, pastors, etc…) need to come in and show that there is a new reality for men and that it’s not only okay, it’s better. Being a stay at home dad can be freeing as you may be able to pursue other interests. Showing what leadership is is important, but also showing how to work as a team and under the leadership of a woman is important too and can be fulfilling.
I’m an educator, and one thing I think about is that I want to teach the girls that men are not to be feared, and to teach the boys not to be men to be afraid of. There is a better future ahead, but only if we take action and support the next generation of boys as well as girls. Without this support, we are handing a large portion of disaffected youth to a toxic mindset that will have horrible consequences.
Oddly enough, I could see one of these boys looking at this post and thinking “the left doesn’t care about me, so why would I care about them?”
I really needed to read this this is the best comment I’ve read on this platform and it hits right home. I fell within those circles of alt-right the only thing that saved me was my willingness to accept being wrong and my pragmatism.
Being able to be convinced is a good character trait… there’s such a large amount of people today that have already made up their mind regarding various issues and will not listen to any contrary arguments.
Thank you. I’m sick of seeing “white men need to step back”. “Oh god, another white man trying to force his opinions on us.” This stuff would be horribly racist if you replace white with black. (except for the black people can’t be racist meme…)
Thank you for putting to words something that’s hard to explain. You’ve given me some talking points I can use towards a friend that tries not to act like he’s alt-right leaning but seems willing to listen.
As someone who lost a friend to that rabbit hole, I really think we should put that far right conspiracy theory between quotation marks when named alongside things that actually exist. Communism and feminism are real (even if they are perceived as demonic by these people, they still at least exist). “Cultural marxism” doesn’t even have entity, it’s just bullshit entirely made up by the usual grifters
It’s a Nazi dogwhistle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
But you don’t need a scapegoat. The problem is literally the billionaires. You only need a scapegoat to justify white supremacist hierarchy building.
Or are the billionaires the scapegoat caused by a system we helped create? They lobby and use greed to get where they have gotten but we enable all of it. If we believe capitalism is beneficial to society we have to accept regulations to keep the money flowing back down. EVERY person that votes against such should be afraid for their lives at every moment period. If they are not it is our failure, not theirs. The lives of the majority are suffering not because Elon Musk is a douche, but because we created a system a douche could take advantage of.
The flaw in your argument is that “we” the majority did not make the system
Talk about whiplash. You really think the SOLE cause of the problems are down to tens of individuals?
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Did… did you just copy their comment word for word and posted it as a reply‽
Why? (And now don’t anyone suggest a bot, because that’s stupid programming for a bot so unlikely, hopefully)
I mean, I’ve seen Reddit bots copy and paste comments from the same post as replies, so, assuming the bot has an equal chance to reply to every comment, I guess replying to the same comment wouldn’t be unheard of if there’s not enough replies.
I read their profile and… wow.
Yeah it’s hard not being a radical communist on Lemmy 😂
It’s hard being a conservative extremist on Lemmy
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Actually it’s not stupid programming.
AI bot models have to be created from something. It’s not just a human being explicitly telling a bot to do X or Y, they study how other humans make posts, and then mimic them based on their models.
Bots are studying how certain people here on Lemmy (and elsewhere) do comments, and then mimic what they’re doing, to try to blend in. You’ll even see bots replying to bots in like kind, to try to add credibility to the original comment being replied to.
Yeah sure, but if there is a chance my bot one for one copies a comment (and doesn’t cut out anything as often done on/as I often saw done on reddit) I would still add a hard condition of NOT being able to directly reply to the copied comment…
Like reply to another comment in the thread or not at all if there is only one comment or at least one level further down but not directly to my copied source, that’s way too obvious!
That’s not how those machine language models work though.