Joe Biden has launched one of his most scathing attacks yet on Donald Trump’s record of racism, suggesting that the former US president would have acted differently to the January 6 2021 insurrection if was led by Black people.

The remarks, at a dinner hosted by a civil rights organisation in a critical swing state, pointed to an intensifying battle between Biden and Trump for African American voters ahead of November’s presidential election.

“Let me ask you,” Biden said during an address to an NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) dinner in Detroit. “What do you think he would have done on January 6 if Black Americans had stormed the Capitol?”

There was a collective gasp and murmur in the cavernous convention centre, where an estimated 5,000 guests had gathered. The president insisted: “No, I’m serious. What do you think? I can only imagine.”

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    In Detroit a leader of the Pro-Palestinian protesters said “This community will be the community who unseats Joe Biden. … A president who has fostered an atmosphere of hate against our community.”

    Just that ignorance of Muslim and Palestinians here. The atmosphere of hate is coming from Trump and the Republicans and these people are openly supporting him. Being used by the right to help bring more prejudice and racist policies to their people. Trump gets elected and you can say goodbye to any chance of Palestinian recovery. The Israelis are not going to stop with Gaza. Once it’s secured the war with the west bank will begin.

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      Pro-Palestinian protesters said “This community will be the community who unseats Joe Biden.

      Yeah, those ranks of “protesters” are riddled with Republican/Putin operatives. If Biden is unseated, say goodbye to Palestine. Israel will have the green light to eradicate the people of Gaza.

        • Do you know that saying, I think it went something like:

          … and just when I thought things couldn’t possibly get any worse…they got much worse

          I think it could be a situation like that.

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            Oh it’ll definitely be something like that.

            Right now Israel doesn’t care if it kills civilians to get Hamas, and they’ve had to slow down their attacks several times and scaled things back because of the Biden admin.

            If Trump is elected there’s literally nothing stopping Israel from just mustard gassing all of Gaza.

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              They haven’t slowed down in the slightest. Everything he’s done has been verbal, except for one very short time they slowed down some weapons, but even then, they’re sending them more weapons. If they’ve slowed down at all, it’s because of other countries like ones in South America cutting off trade, or South Africa starting the ICC case. If anything, the US has been running interference on behalf of Israel, vetoing resolutions against them and such in the UN.

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            It doesn’t get worse then watching your child starve to death.

            There are certain red lines where the argument for harm-reduction is just justification for evil. Genocide is one of those red lines.

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        This is cognitive dissonance from someone that wants people to support someone literally complicit in the genocide of their people.

        I’ve not seen any evidence of Republicans at any rallies.

        The Putin comment is just ‘anything I don’t like is Putin.’

        Let me be clear. Biden and the DNC intentionally chose to forego important parts of a primary. Biden chose to be complicit in a genocide. If Biden losses, it will be his fault he lost.

        If you expect to be able to supply the weapons to a government engaged in a genocide against a population that also happens to be a requisite part of your winning coalition and still have them vote for you, then you are stupid beyond description.

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          If you expect to be able to supply the weapons to a government engaged in a genocide against a population that also happens to be a requisite part of your winning coalition and still have them vote for you, then you are stupid beyond description.

          So with Biden putting a hold on weapon shipments to Israel over concerns about the citizens of Gaza, and the Republicans passing a bill forcing the weapons to be sent to Israel, your logic says that people shouldn’t vote for Republican legislators.

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            Notice how the emotional propagandist completely dodged your question?

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            Do you even have the slightest idea who the largest voting block is? People don’t need to vote for a Republican for Biden to lose. They just have to not vote.

            It’s amazing you even posted that as a response.

            Sure, I would advocate for Republicans not voting for Republican legislators, if the Republican base wanted a ceasefire. But they don’t. The Republican party is afraid of their base. The Democratic party has contempt for theirs.

            Also, Biden already started shipping those weapons, regardless of that vote. Holding up the weapons temporarily was an attempt to look like he was doing something, same as the floating pier was. Did you even read the link? It hasn’t passed the Senate yet.

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              Do you even have the slightest idea who the largest voting block is? People don’t need to vote for a Republican for Biden to lose. They just have to not vote

              And who do you think is going to win then?

              Come January 2025, the next president will be either Biden or Trump. The election is your one chance to say which one. Act accordingly.

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                Too bad that Biden chose to alienate a requisite member of his coalition.

                Hold him accountable for his decisions.

                He chose an action, supporting genocide, that will cost him the general, and chose not to run a primary.

                Edit: I don’t understand these responses that try and imply voting is an individual moral decision. It has the same logic of blaming the consumer and individual choices for carbon based climate change instead of the people with culpability and power to change things.

                Edit edit: I think at this point, unless someone dies, that Trump will be elected. To be clear, I am not voting for Trump.

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                    According to him your choices are nobody or Trump. So I guess write in the name of the perfect American over 35 and get back to your soaps.

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                    That’s your decision.

                    Don’t be surprised when the people that Joe Biden’s second term requires don’t vote for him because he supported the wholesale slaughter of their families.

                    One person is responsible for that decision.

                    Joe Biden.

                    If you hate Trump, blame the person most responsible for his reelection.

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                    That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying other people won’t vote for Biden because he’s enabling a genocide of people from their community and it’s ridiculous to expect that they would. It’s easy to foresee what would happen and change tact, you know, like a politician. It’s not a prescription, it’s a description.

                    Vote your conscious. Personally, if you’re in a swing state, I think you should vote Biden. But maybe also don’t jump in front of bullets to protect him from criticism because it’s not going to help him. Forcing him to try harder on this issue will help him. He’s even throwing up some token resistance now, like that temporary hold up a few weapons, so baby steps are happening. I mean, it sounds like he approved another $1 billion of weapons after that little stunt of temporarily holding up a couple, and he’s still condemning protestors and the UN trying to hold Israel accountable even while they walk right over his “red line” but hey, uh… Baby steps, I guess…

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                  All well and good, but I would rather not suffer through another four years (or more, the way he talks) of Trump just to teach Biden a lesson. Seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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                    I’m not telling you who to vote for.

                    All of this thread is off of a post calling Palestinian Americans and Muslim Americans stupid for not voting, as a bloc, for Biden.

                    I am arguing against the scapegoating that will come against an enthic minority when the outcome of Biden’s actions are that he doesn’t get elected again.

                    Vote for whomever you want. Don’t blame the family members of victims of an ongoing genocide for the outcome.

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            They are likely just a useful idiot for Putin.

            Fortunately, they are terrible at this.

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            I am an American in the PNW.

            If you think everyone giving you scary truths is a Russian troll, it doesn’t allow you to recognize actual dissent.

            And, to clarify things, I’m responding to a post that is scapegoating an ethnic minority that is a required part of Biden’s coalition because they likely won’t vote for the man that could have single handedly stopped the slaughter and torture of their families, but didn’t.

            I responded to someone calling those people stupid.

            We have reports from American doctors in hospitals in Gaza of an amputation patient that had literal maggots eating the remains of his legs that was left in that situation cause there were no resources or people to help.

            We have reports from Israeli whistleblowers of Palestinians prisoners (hostages) regularly having amputations because they’d been zipped tied too long.

            And yet, their family members in the US are stupid for not voting for the one man who could stop that but didn’t.

            And, somehow, I’m a Russian troll for pointing out how stupid and inhumane blaming Muslim and Palestinian Americans for Biden loss is? Fuck dude, be better.

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      And if you disagree with them, they’ll literally claim you love genocide. I’ve seen that repeatedly. Dumbest shit ever

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      In Detroit a leader of the Pro-Palestinian protesters said “This community will be the community who unseats Joe Biden. … A president who has fostered an atmosphere of hate against our community.”

      This person will be at the front of the line to have their citizenship stripped & exiled if Trump is elected.

      If you don’t think Trump will do it & SCotUS will allow it, you’re a dangerous moron.

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        Would you care about that if Trumps opponent was providing weapons and diplomatic cover to the people exterminating your entire extended family back home?

        Actually think about that before blindly answering yes.

        Imagine the trauma of losing your entire family. Knowing the children suffered horribly before dying. Knowing that the ones who followed Israels movement orders starved to death.

        If you can’t understand why that would cause people to hate Biden, regardless of his opponent, then you have so little human empathy that it makes you incompetent at gauging the strategic outcomes of your actions.

        It also makes you a shitty human without empathy.

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          “You should vote your emotions” is the absolute dumbest possible take.

          Also, I can empathize with someone & still be aware they are making a stupid decision.

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            Not voting for the person who could have single handedly stopped the slaughter of your entire family but didn’t isn’t ‘voting your emotions’

            I can’t imagine anyone but a sociopath writing that.

            EDIT: the stupid choice is voting for someone that wants a genocide committed. If a system is only capable of supplying two genocidiers, then it isn’t a system worth defending.

            Also, putting morality aside for a moment, but nothing is stupider than assisting in the genocide of a people whom make up a required component of your coalition.

            Reminder: Biden doesn’t win the swing States without Muslim support. This is a self own. Blaming anyone else for this is a case of victim blaming.

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              Not voting for the person who could have single handedly stopped the slaughter of your entire family but didn’t isn’t ‘voting your emotions’

              I guess you missed when Biden attempted that & was overruled by the GOP in Congress?

              Because Congress controls the purse? Slept thru Civics, did we?

              BTW, we can all plainly see that you’re pulling out all the “emotional manipulation” stops here, but fortunately, you’re very, very bad at it.

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                Jesus Christ. The only one that slept through civics and didn’t read their own posts here is you.

                Congress didn’t overrule Biden. The house voted for something that hasn’t, and won’t, be able to pass the Senate. Nothing has happened here yet.

                Congress controls the purse strings, yes, and the executive branch is responsible for the implementation. Biden absolutely could have told the Israelis to stop at any point, with actual consequences such as removing the fleet from the red sea, promising not to support them against Iran, stop weapons shipments that due to the Lehy law we actually are legally required to stop. All could be done by the executive.

                Stop being condescending about topics you apparently know nothing about.

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                  LOL, Reduced to “I know you are, but what am I”? Seriously?

                  such as removing the fleet from the red sea,

                  This is the fleet that just got done building the humanitarian aid pier. What a fucking brilliant idea!

                  The administration this month paused a shipment of large bombs on the grounds that Israel would cause heavy loss of civilian lives using the munitions in the Gaza Strip. The move also sought to discourage Israel from deepening its ground invasion in the city of Rafah, where some 1 million Palestinians are sheltering in unsafe conditions.

                  But Republican officials quickly came out in opposition to the decision, warning that the paused shipment would embolden Israel’s enemies in the region and weaken Israel’s hand as it seeks to rescue hostages held by Hamas.

                  “Israel needs these weapons to eradicate the terrorists who have vowed the destruction of Israel, and Israel needs it to protect itself and its people,” Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., a member of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, said during floor debate Thursday. “Withholding vital resources jeopardizes not only Israel’s ability to defend itself but also our national security by harming and weakening our strongest ally.”

                  https://rollcall.com/2024/05/16/house-passes-bill-to-require-ongoing-flow-of-weapons-to-israel/

                  By all means, keep up the lies. We are educating people here, whether you like it or not. 🤣🤣🤣

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                    What do you think that pier will do?

                    The problem isn’t the number of ports. The problem is the Israelis aren’t letting the aid in.

                    The Israelis are going to be in control of the shipments that eventually will cross that pier, too.

                    So, tell me what problem that existed that the pier would fix, that wouldn’t have been fixed easier by just increasing shipments through the land ports.

                    Please, educate me here.

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                    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/politics/house-israel-weapons-bill-vote/index.html

                    In particular:

                    The bill would prevent Biden from withholding, halting, reversing or canceling weapons transfers that have been approved by Congress from the United States to Israel, and requires any that have been withheld to be delivered to Israel within 15 days of the bill’s enactment.

                    It is unlikely to be taken up in the Democratic-led Senate and the White House has said that Biden would veto the bill if Congress passed it. The House vote was 224 to 187. Three Republicans voted against the measure and 16 Democrats voted for it.

                    By all means, keep having zero reading comprehension skills.

                    Tell me what the first sentence of that second paragraph says. Does it say that it needs to pass the Senate, and that Biden would then veto it? Does that, in fact, match exactly what I said? Huh. How about that.

                    Also, is lying about Israel your work? You get paid for this?

                    EDIT: Nice editing out of you saying this was your work.

                    WAR OF THE EDITS APPARENTLY: I posted a reputable source pointing out that what I said, that you said was lying, is actually correct. Learn to read.

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                    The Pentagon press secretary announced today that not a single article of aid that has passed through that pier made it to Gazans.

                    It’s been operating for five days and cost an estimated 320 million and its done fuck all.

                    So, yeah, it would actually be a good thing. Did you actually believe Biden meant for that pier to do anything?

                    Did you believe that like you believe the House alone could pass laws?

                    Or do you only respond when you haven’t been proven wrong on something you double down on while insulting others for?

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                I guess you missed when Biden attempted that & was overruled by the GOP in Congress?

                I get that you want to pretend Biden’s hands are tied when they aren’t, but that only passed the house.

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                https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/politics/house-israel-weapons-bill-vote/index.html

                In particular:

                The bill would prevent Biden from withholding, halting, reversing or canceling weapons transfers that have been approved by Congress from the United States to Israel, and requires any that have been withheld to be delivered to Israel within 15 days of the bill’s enactment.

                It is unlikely to be taken up in the Democratic-led Senate and the White House has said that Biden would veto the bill if Congress passed it. The House vote was 224 to 187. Three Republicans voted against the measure and 16 Democrats voted for it.

                Read that second paragraph again and tell me where the lie is? Why do you think the bill passed in the house, that hasn’t passed the Senate, or been signed by the president or been passed with a veto-proof majority would have any effect.

                Explain what you think I said was wrong.

                Slept through Civics, did we?

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            “You should vote your emotions” is the absolute dumbest possible take.

            People will do so anyway. Pro-genocide centrists would rather lose than take that into account.

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              Lose to who?

              The guy that already banned Muslims from entering the country once & has plans to strip birthright citizenship & exile brown folk?

              Sounds like you want the Palestinians in the USA to get to enjoy the conditions that their relatives are living in first hand.

              I’m trying to talk them out of making a stupid emotional mistake that will quite literally end their everything.

              And somehow, you still think you care more. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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                Why don’t you people understand that you calling them dumb isn’t going to override the sitting President sending bombs to kill their family? Do you actually want Biden to win or do you just want to be able to gloat if he loses?

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            LOL, no.

            Bibi needs to be strung up right along side the leaders of Hamas in the Hague.

            I’d just sooner kill myself than vote for the open christofascist, Trump.

            And because I have more than three brain cells to rub together, I understand how FPtP voting works.

            How’s that for your propaganda, clownshoes?