He’s a malignant narcissist. It takes a long time to escape that kind of programing. Being in a relationship like that is basically like being in a cult.
Abusers are often victims first. You can’t really look at Musk, or any billionaire, and think, “yeah, this person is totally fine.” He’s not. None of them are.
Patriarchy and capitalism reward the unhealthy coping mechanism he uses to protect his ego. Patriarchy specifically asserts that those coping mechanisms are not only normal but optimal.
He’s absolutely a victim of this system and in a functional one he would be given help instead of power, which is literally the opposite of what he needs to be able to recognize his problems and heal.
He is who he is because the only way he can see himself as valuable at all is if he’s basically the savior of the world. Anything less than that is unacceptable garbage. Anyone who believes differently must be manipulated or destroyed.
There’s no way he can ever be happy. He needs help. It’s tragic that we live in a society where he can’t even see how much he needs help.
None of that takes away from the behaviors he expresses. The fact that his manipulation of others comes from his insecurity doesn’t take away from the manipulation, the feeling of unreality, that comes from experimenting that manipulation. Both of these things can and do exist at the same time.
I would suggest that narcissists and borderlines are vulnerable minorities solely because they almost always refuse treatment until it is no longer their legal choice to do so.
An adult with untreated narcissism is almost certainly going to be the least vulnerable person in all of their chosen relationships at any time.
We can recognize that somebody was a victim as a child, and recognize that may be the reason they are a danger today, but if they are untreated, and if you personally aren’t a doctor, you are likelier to be their victim than the other way around.
Nothing strange happened. You attempted sophistry in defense of a person who chooses right wing demagoguery which people may correctly or incorrectly diagnose as a consequence of having a personality disorder and you did so knowing full well we are in a climate where people are tired of right demagoguery. If, as you say, you are interested in scientific veracity and focus on dispassionate reasoned discussion how can you also not understand that sticking your dick in a live toaster will get you burned?
spot on. doesn’t help that he’s a household name with lots of fanboys. actual notoriety of a malignant narcissist partner can easily amplify the self doubt that gets spurred on by gaslighting and other manipulative methods. not to mention she has children with him so she can’t just cut him off completely. can’t say i feel for her, but i sure would want to be in her place.
He’s a malignant narcissist. It takes a long time to escape that kind of programing. Being in a relationship like that is basically like being in a cult.
Money probably helps too.
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Abusers are often victims first. You can’t really look at Musk, or any billionaire, and think, “yeah, this person is totally fine.” He’s not. None of them are.
Patriarchy and capitalism reward the unhealthy coping mechanism he uses to protect his ego. Patriarchy specifically asserts that those coping mechanisms are not only normal but optimal.
He’s absolutely a victim of this system and in a functional one he would be given help instead of power, which is literally the opposite of what he needs to be able to recognize his problems and heal.
He is who he is because the only way he can see himself as valuable at all is if he’s basically the savior of the world. Anything less than that is unacceptable garbage. Anyone who believes differently must be manipulated or destroyed.
There’s no way he can ever be happy. He needs help. It’s tragic that we live in a society where he can’t even see how much he needs help.
None of that takes away from the behaviors he expresses. The fact that his manipulation of others comes from his insecurity doesn’t take away from the manipulation, the feeling of unreality, that comes from experimenting that manipulation. Both of these things can and do exist at the same time.
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I would suggest that narcissists and borderlines are vulnerable minorities solely because they almost always refuse treatment until it is no longer their legal choice to do so.
An adult with untreated narcissism is almost certainly going to be the least vulnerable person in all of their chosen relationships at any time.
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We can recognize that somebody was a victim as a child, and recognize that may be the reason they are a danger today, but if they are untreated, and if you personally aren’t a doctor, you are likelier to be their victim than the other way around.
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Alex Jones is a diagnosed narcissist. Tell me about his victimization and how he isn’t an abuser.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8391956/
It appears the current belief is that the higher you PCL-R score, the higher likelihood of violentally criminal behavior you are likely to exhibit.
Nothing strange happened. You attempted sophistry in defense of a person who chooses right wing demagoguery which people may correctly or incorrectly diagnose as a consequence of having a personality disorder and you did so knowing full well we are in a climate where people are tired of right demagoguery. If, as you say, you are interested in scientific veracity and focus on dispassionate reasoned discussion how can you also not understand that sticking your dick in a live toaster will get you burned?
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Gross
I hate this ride and I want people I know to get some fucking help instead of narcisizing all over my life.
spot on. doesn’t help that he’s a household name with lots of fanboys. actual notoriety of a malignant narcissist partner can easily amplify the self doubt that gets spurred on by gaslighting and other manipulative methods. not to mention she has children with him so she can’t just cut him off completely. can’t say i feel for her, but i sure would want to be in her place.