Since Laura has been awol for a few months, I reached out to Ada to see if I could take over modding for this com. I know we’re fairly small but decently active so there’s not much to worry about, but I like the com so here we are.
I’m not planning on changing up anything as the banner/icon/desc all fit the vibes so they stay as is. (Maybe I’ll change the desc a bit since Laura originally wrote it in first person? idk)
If Laura comes back I’ll let her know the situation and we’ll go from there.
Love y’all!
I kind of explained it badly, but from a lot of what I’ve seen online in mainstream media a lot of communities either tend to Egg femboys really bad and say they’re trans girls in-denial, or will say that Femboys are harmful or appropriate trans people. One negative comment stuck out to me in a conversation around Felix Argyle: “The only people upset about other people claiming Ferris-chan is a girl are cis [gay slur removed] who think it’s hot for a boy to dress as a girl.” It definitely doesn’t feel right to me because I know it isn’t true but I wasn’t (and still am not) entirely sure that this wasn’t the mindset of most common people. That’s why I said it wasn’t really popular, I’ve gotten an idea that a lot of people don’t think that. I do not think that Femboys are objects to be fetishized and I feel that like anyone their identities should be respected, but for a while (and this probably continues on Reddit) it seemed like other people didn’t think that.
I think a poll would be a good idea.
TBH felix/ferris is kind of a weird case bcuz the anime keeps him unambiguously cis and the books have trans subtext, but the person who said that quote is clearly a POS.
Honestly yeah, nobody should be looking for acceptance from fetishizers.
Objectification =/= Acceptance.
I’ll write up a poll soon.
What do you mean by that exactly? I never really read the books so I’m not sure. Like do they up and say he is trans or is it an interpretation thing where people think he’s trans? Just curious because I know in Egg culture there’s the idea that if people do or say certain things it makes them trans regardless of how they identify. I don’t agree with that idea at all, I think that the way people identify is what makes or breaks gender identity, having provisions to semantically invalidate a person’s identity doesn’t feel right at all and isn’t considerate to how the person feels.
I did watch a video which covered some of the things and gave his take on it from his perspective as a femboy but I’m not sure how complete it was, and it was 2 years old when I watched it, and I’m not 100% sure it covered everything since people say there’s apparently a lot of stuff there.
It’s up to interpretation because the author borrowed from the trans experience either knowingly or coincidentally, so felix/ferris ends up feeling trans-coded.
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Taken from here: https://transgirlmedia.wordpress.com/2018/05/28/felix-argyle-ferris-rezero/
That’s a very fair point when applied to real humans, but I don’t think people should put so much stock in fictional characters when the femboy and closeted trans girl experience are very similar. But even I know for a fact the opposite reaction to GNC feminine expressions (for example, bridget being confirmed as a trans girl and the desperate attempt to claim otherwise by a certain group of terminally online weebs) can be very aggravating, so you’re in good company.
This isn’t overly relevant to the point, but… in her book Whipping Girl, Julia Serano even goes so far as to say that the two gender identities face very similar forms of discrimination because of oppositional sexism.
Note: the passages below contain some old and outdated language that may be seen as slurs today. I promise this is merely because of how language used to describe the trans experience has changed.
I'm picking a few parts of this chapter, but if you want to read it on your own (i highly recommend you do, it's a very good perspective), it's chapter 17 "Crossdressing: Demystifying Femininity and Rethinking 'Male Privilege'"
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Note: the use of effemimania here is defined by her as “this obsession and anxiety over male expressions of femininity”
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I made the announcement here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7932142?scrollToComments=true
I also linked one of your comments from a few months ago regarding egging because I thought it was very helpful in illustrating your points and I hope you don’t mind.