• TheBlue22
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    Do you deny the genocide happening in China or in Ukraine? Then you are a tankie.

    Do you defend the action of the orks in ukraine, or try to claim that the war began because of Ukraine or NATO somehow? Then you are a tankie.

    Do you support, even if only mentally, totalitarian governments that love to act that they are somehow communist/socialist? Like the terrorist state of Russia, China, or North Korea? Then you are indeed a tankie.

    It’s funny how angry tankies can get when people who are actually leftists call them out. They try to squirm and claim that “they didn’t support tanks entering sattelite states when they tried to split off from the USSR” when that’s not even necessary to be called a tankie.

    If you would rather support a totalitarian government over the freedoms communism and socialism promises to bring, you are not a leftist you claim to be, you are a tankie. But if that term offends people so much, perhaps we can call you a redfash, a red fascist. I don’t mind that.

    But then again, I am on a .ml community saying this, so I would not be supprised if this get removed lmao

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      incredible that people can see an actual genocide livestreamed for 13 months on every social media platform available, and STILL think anything comparable to that is happening in China. absolutely mindboggling.

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        Damn, its almost as if China does everything in its power to block the media. As if they had some kind of way to silence their critics who live in China. As if they had some kind of control over their internet and all news sources…

        As if this has been going on for a decade now, yet its still not an “actual genocide” for you people. Absolutely mind-boggling.

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          do you think Israel, with one of the most advanced security apparatuses in the world, doesn’t also have methods to censor evidence? and yet, all of this evidence still flows. insane, China has 1.4 billion people, all with cell phones, all with access to TikTok and VPNs, and there’s not a single picture or video of mass graves or camps or starvation campaigns or religious persecution. is China just uniquely good at censorship? is every Chinese citizen just brainwashed and can’t think for themselves?? or are you just repeating cold-war style CIA think-tank talking points about a geopolitical rival because you refuse to investigate for yourself?

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        How does supporting one genocide stop the other? Who said that I somehow support the US? Who says I am even american, and not someone who personally has to deal with the consequences of tankie horseshit?

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            There is quite literary no fucking way you could compare these to Ruzzia, China or North Korea. Unless you are completely fucking insane.

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      Do you deny the genocide happening in China or in Ukraine? Then you are a tankie.

      Do you believe that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence? Then you’re a tankie.

      Some people have this idea that if a claim involves genocide, then it gets to bypass the entire process of investigating a claim, because it’s technically “genocide denial,” so like if someone said “France is committing genocide against Belgians!” you’d just have to accept it without question. In fact, it’s the opposite, more extreme claims require more solid evidence.

      Since we’re on .ml though, we don’t have to deal with such absurd censorship standards, and I’m free to point out the fact that the whole “Uighur genocide” narrative is just unsubstantiated propaganda, coming almost entirely from one crackpot named Adrian Zenz. And at this point it’s largely outdated propaganda, since the narrative has largely quietly disappeared from the news after the claims about it couldn’t be verified.

      You’re welcome to prove me wrong though. You know, just show me the bodies. How long has it allegedly been going on at this point? We can see what an ongoing genocide looks like by what’s happening in Gaza. Strange how there aren’t any similar images coming out of Xinjiang, isn’t it?

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        I mean, you are aware that genocide doesn’t have to involve mass-killing of a population, right? Causing them serious bodily or mental harm with the goal of destroying that separate culture, i.e. in reeducation camps can still fulfill that definition.

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          Has there ever been a genocide in history where no one was killed?

          Honestly, if we’re going to use such standards and definitions that a “nonviolent genocide” is possible, then I’m not sure I understand what makes such a thing wrong. In Japan, the number of people who believe in and practice Shinto is in decline, and more and more people are paying for Western style weddings, so temples are struggling to keep their doors open. Is that an inherently bad thing? Is that genocide?