• criticon@lemmy.ca
    113·
    9 months ago

    An ex-priest was telling us that homosexuals were an aberration (Catholic school). We told him that homosexuality existed in nature, the only thing that’s an aberration is being celibate

      • ZorsithEnglish
        18·
        9 months ago

        “Humane” is such a weird word twisted into somehow meaning “ethical” or “moral”.

    • Laticauda@lemmy.ca
      23·
      9 months ago

      I get the intention here but being celibate isn’t an aberration either, celibacy exists in nature too, and there are plenty of people who are voluntarily celibate for reasons other than religion, such as many asexual people.

    • OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      18·
      9 months ago

      Went to catholic school myself and had a similar argument with the ex-priest teacher in our religion class.

      The slight difference is, it got me signed up for the debate team lol.

  • troybot [he/him]@midwest.social
    88·
    9 months ago

    According to their book God made woman from the rib of a man. A guy’s rib transition into a woman, that’s perfectly fine. Whole person transitioning is bad? How much of the body can transition before it becomes a problem?

  • BabyVi@lemmy.world
    17·
    9 months ago

    Its all about “preserving reproductive capacity” until they realize that trans person has a kid, then they’re suddenly opposed to it.

    • ThatFembyWhoEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      Mhmm “trans people can’t be parents!” just like “gay people can’t be parents!”

      Still waiting to learn why that is, or could it be unadulterated bigotry?

  • Rineloi@lemmy.world
    8·
    9 months ago

    I may be a little ignorant on this topic but can transgender people really reproduce with out the proper “equipment”?

    • ThatFembyWhoEnglish
      26·
      9 months ago

      Hi, trans woman here!

      There are two aspects that affect fertility specifically for trans people:

      • hormone treatment (HRT) involves replacing the body’s endogenous sex hormones with those of the desired sex.
      • “the surgery” or bottom surgery, which in most cases involves removal of the testies or ovaries/uterus, in addition to possible construction of desired genitalia.

      The fact is most trans people don’t have access to surgery. It’s too expensive, or there are other concerns like not receiving support from doctors or therapists. Some people are simply afraid of the risks or undesirable results, which are very real as with any surgery. But it will put a final end to reproductive capacity. For now. Some of us hope one day science and technology will allow eg trans woman to conceive and carry a pregnancy.

      HRT is far more accessible, and from a younger age, maybe 16 for puberty-blockers with parental consent in some areas – but this is the exception. Most trans people can’t get HRT until they are 18 and really I would say it’s more common later in life. The 20s-30s can be a particularly distressing time (sex characteristics become even more defined) when trans people find motivation and means to medically transition. But this leaves time to have children, I know many trans people who had children before transitioning.

      HRT obviously will put an end to reproductive capacity, at least while taking it, and in fact may become permanent. It’s not unheard of for trans people to pause hormone therapy in order to attempt conceiving with their partner. Sometimes it works.

      A better option would be freezing sperm, or I presume eggs, before starting medical transition. It’s an expensive process, and so again not affordable to many trans people regardless of their desire for children.

      It should also be stated that regardless of desire for children, quite a few trans people choose to not transition, for social, career, or personal reasons. Children and marriage are a commonly given reason I’ve seen.

      I guess the Vatican and far-right don’t know this, or maybe they do and pretend not to understand, although knowledge is something both claim to value. Then again I never considered the Catholic church to be experts on any sexual matters. They are usually centuries behind what science discovers in all fields. It turns out the bible isn’t a great reference book for the human endocrine system.

      The best option is not only improved access to gender-affirming care (this makes trans folks happier), less discrimination and scapegoating, but also increased education about and funding for preserving fertility. Being trans doesn’t have to mean being childless.

      • Rineloi@lemmy.world
        7·
        9 months ago

        Thanks for the detailed answer mate! We dont really have a trans community around the backwards-ass country where I live so you get less exposure to these kinds of topics.

        • ThatFembyWhoEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          No problem! I feel like I needed to cite everything for anybody thinking “oh, yeah right” lol. But if anyone asks, I can probably dig those up.

    • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      In my experience, most trans people keep their “equipment.” For me personally, the cost and effort just doesn’t seem worth it.

      Trans women often go infertile when getting hormones, but sperm banks are a thing, so…

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      Most of us who want surgery and to reproduce understand that the order in which we do these things is very important. Or we just bank gametes before HRT. Both work.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      4·
      9 months ago

      As others have told you, they can have the proper equipment. A friend of mine from high school transitioned and she and her wife still have three kids.