The share of voters who strongly disapprove of President Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.
This should make all of the people who insist that anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump think again. How is he going to win if we just pretend he’s awesome while nobody actually believes it?
“Trump would be worse” is not the compelling political platform you seem to think it is.
No shit, but I don’t think anyone has argued that Biden is an exciting candidate. His administration, other than supporting Israel (along with 90% of the rest of the US political establishment, for like the past 60 years) and some missteps on labor rights, has been competent. Considering that the next President, barring some very surprising development, WILL be either Trump or Biden, all people have been saying is that it sure doesn’t help to make people who would vote against Trump or for Biden more apathetic or disillusioned. Nobody said “anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump”, because they haven’t said that, in fact, those people seem to forget Trump exists at all. It’s a matter of de facto supporting trump by discouraging the Democratic vote. If Biden would step aside and someone else could run, great. If not, talking shit about Biden absolutely helps Trump.
Nobody said “anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump”
People absolutely say that on Lemmy, at least.
It’s a matter of de facto supporting trump by discouraging the Democratic vote. If Biden would step aside and someone else could run, great. If not, talking shit about Biden absolutely helps Trump.
This would be a great point if it looked like Biden was going to win. But as things stand, he’s behind in the polls. So we should be criticising to make him better. You know, if you actually want to stop Trump.
If Biden is the democrat candidate running against Trump, and if a person lives in a riding/region where their vote matters (e.g., not a Republican stronghold)… (and assuming the person DOESN’T want Trump to win)
Voting for Biden supports a Democrat victory
Voting for Trump supports a Republican victory
Voting third party takes a vote away from Biden, thus supporting a Republican victory
Abstaining from voting takes a vote away from Biden, thus supporting a Republican victory
So if you want the Republicans to lose, a person should vote for Biden.
I’m sorry. It’s the way the US political system works, and it’s the way it works where I live, too.
If you don’t want Trump to win (and the rest of the other “ifs” also apply to your situation), then your only choice at the polls is to vote for Biden. Not liking your options won’t change the reality of the situation.
This doesn’t really address my point. I understand how first past the post works (also from a country with this system), the issue is whether Biden is going to win at all. Polls say no and maybe that should be an issue?
It’s not as these people are already crafting their excuses for why it’ll be someone else’s fault if he loses just like Trump did right before the 2020 election. Democrats want to keep the status quo of shitty politics which is why they aren’t doing anything to improve the situation and why we’re not allowed to criticize them. Just shut your eyes and mouth and toe the party line!
Criticizing Biden on something as niche as Lemmy won’t make Biden better. But it might make people less likely to vote for Biden.
Conservatives/Republicans don’t just try to win by getting votes. They also try to win by reducing the number of voters (whether by creating barriers to voting, or spreading voter apathy (especially towards the other party/parties))
Criticizing Biden on something as niche as Lemmy won’t make Biden better. But it might make people less likely to vote for Biden.
Oh sorry I better fuck off to Twitter then. I know Biden isn’t reading. I still have freedom of speech and can say whatever I like on Lemmy.
You can tell me I’m helping the republicans if you want, I don’t care. Either it’s on me for expressing my opinion or it’s on Biden for sending weapons and providing political cover to a government on trial for genocide. If you want to blame me and people like me I think that says more about you than it does about us.
This should make all of the people who insist that anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump think again. How is he going to win if we just pretend he’s awesome while nobody actually believes it?
“Trump would be worse” is not the compelling political platform you seem to think it is.
I mean, we’ve been trying to do that with the economy for at least two years.
No shit, but I don’t think anyone has argued that Biden is an exciting candidate. His administration, other than supporting Israel (along with 90% of the rest of the US political establishment, for like the past 60 years) and some missteps on labor rights, has been competent. Considering that the next President, barring some very surprising development, WILL be either Trump or Biden, all people have been saying is that it sure doesn’t help to make people who would vote against Trump or for Biden more apathetic or disillusioned. Nobody said “anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump”, because they haven’t said that, in fact, those people seem to forget Trump exists at all. It’s a matter of de facto supporting trump by discouraging the Democratic vote. If Biden would step aside and someone else could run, great. If not, talking shit about Biden absolutely helps Trump.
People absolutely say that on Lemmy, at least.
This would be a great point if it looked like Biden was going to win. But as things stand, he’s behind in the polls. So we should be criticising to make him better. You know, if you actually want to stop Trump.
If Biden is the democrat candidate running against Trump, and if a person lives in a riding/region where their vote matters (e.g., not a Republican stronghold)… (and assuming the person DOESN’T want Trump to win)
So if you want the Republicans to lose, a person should vote for Biden.
I’m sorry. It’s the way the US political system works, and it’s the way it works where I live, too.
If you don’t want Trump to win (and the rest of the other “ifs” also apply to your situation), then your only choice at the polls is to vote for Biden. Not liking your options won’t change the reality of the situation.
This doesn’t really address my point. I understand how first past the post works (also from a country with this system), the issue is whether Biden is going to win at all. Polls say no and maybe that should be an issue?
It’s not as these people are already crafting their excuses for why it’ll be someone else’s fault if he loses just like Trump did right before the 2020 election. Democrats want to keep the status quo of shitty politics which is why they aren’t doing anything to improve the situation and why we’re not allowed to criticize them. Just shut your eyes and mouth and toe the party line!
Criticizing Biden on something as niche as Lemmy won’t make Biden better. But it might make people less likely to vote for Biden.
Conservatives/Republicans don’t just try to win by getting votes. They also try to win by reducing the number of voters (whether by creating barriers to voting, or spreading voter apathy (especially towards the other party/parties))
Oh sorry I better fuck off to Twitter then. I know Biden isn’t reading. I still have freedom of speech and can say whatever I like on Lemmy.
You can tell me I’m helping the republicans if you want, I don’t care. Either it’s on me for expressing my opinion or it’s on Biden for sending weapons and providing political cover to a government on trial for genocide. If you want to blame me and people like me I think that says more about you than it does about us.
Is it “a thing” to bring up freedom of speech when one doesn’t have a good argument? Lol
I guess it does happen pretty often.
“What you’re saying is inaccurate”
Lol
No it’s a “thing” to bring it up if someone says “don’t share your opinion,” super clear from the conversation.
Yeah if you had said that it would have been a very stupid response