Just a reminder that it’s still February, people.

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    Those last two points are just doomerism that is either

    1. Wrong and actively unhelpful, you’re discouraging people from helping
    2. Right and useless since all it does is spread negativity. If it’s all over, why make it worse for people?
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      I don’t want to be a doomer, but I do kind of feel like climate change is going to get worse and worse and we will pay a terrible price.

      I’m not one of those “civilization will end” types, but I think there will be a lot more refugees and a lot more war. If the Himalayan ice caps melt, a lot of Asia is very fucked.

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        There’s a pretty big difference between “it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better”, and “it’s already over, we’re all fucked”.

        The original comment presents things poorly: we are past several “points of no return”, but saying the point of no return implies there’s nothing to be done.

        Additionally the last point is… pretty much entirely wrong. We have absolutely made significant and noticeable progress against climate change. It’s not enough yet, but it’s absolutely not nothing.

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          I understand that. I’m just suggesting that doomers might not be 100% wrong because I think a lot of bad stuff is going to happen, so we shouldn’t just dismiss dire predictions entirely.

          I just don’t think this will be the end of our species or even human civilization everywhere. But in some places? Quite possibly.

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            Yeah I agree, I just don’t call “stuff’s gonna be bad” doomerism (it’s pretty clear at this point). I call “this is the end and there’s nothing we can do” doomerism.

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        I’m not specifically saying that suddenly the planet is going to swallow up humanity as a whole. But, as you said — climate refugees — plus an uncertain food and water supply, and disastrous weather are going to cause humanity to fight amongst themselves. We will end up destroying ourselves to “survive.”

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          I think there will be plenty of places where life will go on without everyone having to till the soil. But there will be a lot more death and pain.

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            The death and pain will come from the people in bad areas attacking those in the good ones.

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              That is not something you can predict with any certainty. That may happen and it may not. We can’t know at this point. But there will definitely be a price paid for our continued fossil fuel use.

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                Based on what you know of humanity and its history, where would you place your bet?

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                    I’m not asking you be clairvoyant. I’m asking you to make an educated guess on the outcome of humanity based on what you know about humanity.

                    You can refuse, but just say you’re refusing.

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        If everyone’s living in refugee and migrant camps, how is that not a collapse of civilization?

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      • Right, and with little proof to say otherwise. Climate scientists outside of fund-raising organizations and profit publications aren’t too optimistic.

      • I’m not going to sugar coat reality just because a person wants to believe everything is going to get better.

      We are fucked. Don’t be delusional. Focus on how we can best handle the inevitable disaster, instead of ignoring it and not making a plan for humanity to adapt as much as it can—in time.

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        Things will absolutely get better. After the inevitable disaster, of course, and we may not be here to see it, but they will get better.

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          Humanity won’t be here to see it, but yes… there will still be a planet after human influence is washed away.

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          Better is a very relative term. A ramp up to a hothouse Earth will be better for exotherms to spread out more. Doesn’t work well for most other species still here now.

          If it was just humans that were impacted, then I’d be sad about the lost potentials we may have had, but be fine with life going on for the rest. The crime is that we’re dragging down just about everything else with us.

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          You can’t predict that for sure. Things did not get better 65 million years ago for a lot of species. But it’s possible things will get better for us.

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          Better is a very relative term. A ramp up to a hothouse Earth will be better for exotherms to spread out more. Doesn’t work well for most other species still here now.

          If it was just humans that were impacted, then I’d be sad about the lost potentials we may have had, but be fine with life going on for the rest. The crime is that we’re dragging down just about everything else with us.