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They know that Trump is Bibi’s best friend, right? And electing him will triple-down on the genocide?
They know that, right?
Right, so Biden should get no criticism for supporting genocide because the other guy does it more? Seems democrats can get away with anything by simply not being trump.
That is unironically what every pro-genocide centrist wants.
pro-genocide centrist
How fucked is your country when this is a thing
I fear that the answer is “not as fucked as it will yet become.”
Op never said Biden should get a pass. The question is why protestors aren’t ALSO disrupting Republican events at the same magnitude and frequency.
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I didn’t say Trump, I said Republicans???
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Sigh…
Because a Republican isn’t the president.
Sigh. Yeah no shit. The point is why not both? Holy hell why are all these replies still about only one or the other. Yes Biden is president, he should be protested. You all get a cookie. The Republicans are also a major part, a painful part, of the government. THEY TOO SHOULD BE PROTESTED. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills gif
Because Republicans aren’t in charge of diplomacy right now, that’s a responsibility of the president.
they’re not saying they would vote for trump, either
that sounds like a good reason to continue petitioning biden. what’s the problem
They know that, right?
They’re mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide, nor dismissing and alienating those that oppose it.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide
Good thing they don’t then isn’t it?
Saying there is one doesn’t make it true.
There is a war, it’s brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
Palestine doesn’t even have an army. What war are you talking about?
This is more a “special military operation” as retaliation for a terrorist attack. Because this ain’t a war, it’s a massacre of mostly innocent people. I mean… they’re literally targeting children. And the ambulance trying to reach them.
Palestine doesn’t even have an army.
It just happened to have 24 battalions of Hamas terroists I guess eh?
Good news is 18 of them have been eliminated. Won’t be long now until the objective is complete.
Ok, if they were confining that to Hamas maybe it would be good news. But how many Palestinians were “eliminated” on the way to delivering you your “good news”. How many dead children? How many doctors, teachers, drivers, grandparents have been eliminated to bring you this good news?
I just don’t think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives. So murdering 30,000 Gazans doesn’t seem like remotely good news to me.
But then again I’m not a bloodthirsty bigot.
But how many Palestinians were “eliminated” on the way to delivering
Thousands of people died in the allied Dresden bombing campaign in WW2, by design.
Hundreds of thousands died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Doesn’t make the allies any less just in their fight. They did what was needed to win decisively.
Wars not pretty but often it’s necessary if you want to live.
I just don’t think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives.
Sounds like complete pacifism. Is that correct? Is there a war now or at some point in history that you supported?
Good thing they don’t then isn’t it?
It would be a good thing if they weren’t gaslighting genocide deniers as well, but here you are.
Saying there is one doesn’t make it true.
Denying it doesn’t make it anything other than genocide. You just want to support genocide without pushback.
There is a war, it’s brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
It’s genocide and nothing else. Downplaying it is genocide apologia.
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They’re not my party. They actively fucked over my guy Sanders.
They are only better than the alternative fascists Republicans so they have my vote.
Unless bullshit like women being forced to birth dead babies appeals to you then they’ll have your vote as well. Things can always get worse beyond your wildest imagination.
Did you look at the picture of the protesters? You think those people are GenZ?
Centrist Democrats can’t justify their support for genocide because there is no justification for supporting genocide. But since they don’t want to stop, we get the Greatest Hits of Centrist Dismissals.
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So much of the dismissal of those who are opposed to the genocide that centrist Democrats support boils down to “I’m old. I assume you’re younger than me and are therefore wrong.”
Exactly. It’s just Boomers who are obsessed with getting their way. Then they turn around and tell us that we don’t know how to compromise. The best examples they have about “compromises” they have made are things like “Biden stood with a picket line!” or “He tried for student loan forgiveness.” They genuinely feel like those were material compromises on their part despite neither one having any impact on their lives in any way. It’s fucking pathetic.
Centrist Democrats didn’t want student loan forgiveness because of course they didn’t, while progressives wanted student loan forgiveness because it helps people. Biden listened to progressives. When the Supreme Court agreed with Centrist Democrats and struck down Biden’s first attempt at forgiveness, he kept trying.
I’ve been screaming for years that Democrats need to listen to progressives and not give up forever at the first setback. Biden did exactly what I wanted on student loans: he listened to progressives and kept trying. I cannot fault him on that issue.
There’s a whole host of other issues I absolutely will fault him for. I agree with your other example. Centrist Democrats keep trying to give Biden sole credit for the UAW’s hard work because he held a photo op.
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I’m mid 30s so technically a millenial. Also I’m a progressive and voted for Sanders while you were playing with your fidget spinner in middle school.
Note the source of the poll. YouGov. They’re reliable and as I said that was one example. Every poll shows it’s young people.
But sure cling on to anecdotal evidence and call people you disagree with boomers. That’ll get you far lmao.
Every poll shows it’s young people.
Are you calling yourself “young people” then? Your own poll shows 43% of Millennials believe genocide is being committed.
I’m saying they’ve been “educated” by Tiktok, AKA brainwashed.
Nationally, 48 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z could not name a single one of the more than 40,000 concentration camps or ghettos established during World War II. This number is reflected in individual state outcomes, with an astounding 60 percent of respondents in Texas, 58 percent in New York, and 57 percent in South Carolina, unable to name a single camp or ghetto.
56 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z were unable to identify Auschwitz-Birkenau, and there was virtually no awareness of concentration camps and ghettos overall. Only six percent of respondents are familiar with the infamous Dachau camp, while awareness of Bergen-Belsen (three percent), Buchenwald (one percent) and Treblinka (one percent) is virtually nonexistent.
When asked how many Jews were killed during the Holocaust, 63 percent of Millennials and Gen Z did not know six million Jews were murdered.
A fifth of Americans ages 18-29 believe the Holocaust was a myth, according to a new poll from The Economist/YouGov.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4349815-poll-americans-holocaust-myth/
Small sample size. I look at the polling data. Those claiming there’s a genocide skew young in every poll.
Good. You didn’t answer my question. My guess is you’re a Boomer who thinks everyone younger than 65 is a child.
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I guess harm reduction is a foreign concept here.
If you want more children to die vote for Trump. If you want less children to die vote for Biden.
There will never be a canidate where 0 children die.
It really is that simple.
“Democrats should not be supporting genocide”
“ZOMG YUO WANT TRUMP!!!”
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Fucking disgusting.
Welcome to reality. Did someone tell you it would be pretty? Shame on them.
Young people don’t have enough Stockholm Syndrome yet to be blackmailed into voting for Genocide.
Takes years of doggy training to get a voter that far gone.
Harm reduction would be Biden stopping the sale of arms to Israel instead of sidestepping congress to sell more weapons for the slaughter.
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I keep wondering the same thing.
Then start telling Biden to stop sending weapons to israel instead of victim blaming.
Well stop wondering and ask yourself if you’d rather Biden stop sending weapons to Israel or lose to Donald Trump.
false equivalency. Biden demanding a ceasefire in Gaza will not lose him the election. In fact, it may win it for him.
When the left and right extremes agree, what does it mean?
The left does not agree with the genocide that centrists and their republican buddies have always wanted.
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Biden is only “the left” to people who vote R.
Joe Biden and the leadership of the democratic party are nowhere near left. Centre right at best.
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Democrats should not be supporting genocide.
They’re absolutely right to be upset, and your dismissal of them is both disgusting and completely unsurprising.
you are so much more articulate than me.
How does this always turn into what will Trump or Biden do next year about the Gaza genocide? Forget the election, Biden is president now, people are protesting what he is doing now, there likely wont be a Gaza by the start of the next presidential term. They’ve been pushed from the north into the southernmost region, and that region is currently being bombed.
people are protesting what he is doing now
…or not doing.
both. definitely both.
No he’s actively involved
not doing
…meaning Biden is not demanding a cease-fire
Right, he’s bypassing congress to provide the fire
Given the short time table you have in mind what do you think protests will achieve before then?
Ah jeez well theyre all as good as dead, pack it up folks, no point in caring about it. See yall next genocide.
Non answer is an answer I guess.
Deep down I think protesters know nothing they do will stop the war in Gaza. I guess they just plan to keep kicking and screaming all the way because it makes them feel like they’re doing something important.
Shame they were born with empathy i suppose.
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Sounds like you’d rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.
Neoliberalism will always rather lose to fascism than compromise with leftism. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Are you sure you’re not going to vote for Trump? People like you have such a strong urge to defend genocide that I’m certain you’d fit in very well with that crowd.
Maybe we should be doing something about the whole genocide thing if we really don’t want a fascist to take power in the US. Maybe the blame should be placed on those enabling genocide instead of the people that are protesting against it.
The amount of propaganda absorbtion it takes to reflexively ‘but Trump’ when people are protesting genocide is enough that if you lived in Russia theres a good chance you’d be pro Putin.
Did they threaten to vote for Trump
Trump’s name is not mentioned once in the story, something you might have learned if you had bothered to actually read it.
Edit: Apparently the downvoters haven’t bothered either.
San Franciscan here. Trump also pulls protest crowds when people find out that he’s in the area to get money from the tech billionaires. That said, I don’t think he’s been here for quite a while.
Yeah. The idea that the government listens to the citizens is completely unamerican. They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
…and if they don’t, then they support Russia. /s
Okay, Boomer.
Old yet gold
He’s been trying since the start.
Biden also emphasized his view that “a military operation in Rafah just really cannot proceed without a credible and implementable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than 1 million people that are now sheltering there,” the official said, adding that they simply had “nowhere to go.”
Biden and his team have also been irritated by Netanyahu’s public rejections of a two-state solution, long a lynchpin of American policy in the region.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza/index.html
The Biden administration has placed a particular premium on Israel reducing the number of civilian casualties in its military operations. The U.S. urging seemed to have some effect in recent days, as Israel began to withdraw some troops from northern Gaza and moved to a less-intensive campaign of airstrikes.
Israel has been not just uncooperative, but also openly hostile toward some smaller American requests, such as when Blinken pressed Israel to turn over the tax revenue it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, which Israel has refused to do.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-gaza-fe150c19cdcc4737f4a9e22a695490ed
He circumvented congress to sell Netanyahu weapons to be used for genocide, but trust us, he’s slightly miffed.
“Please stop using the bombs I’m selling you” -Genocide Joe
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And you are a master projectionist
I’m sure Biden is working tirelessly until the early bird special at cracker barrel to figure this all out. He won’t stop until dinner specials are half off.
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Biden knows he has the power to stop this. He stopped Netanyahu’a bombing in 2021 with one phone call.
If he isn’t getting it stopped it’s because he doesn’t want it stopped. And that’s without even getting into the fact that he’s still sending them bombs. You’d think that would be the first thing to stop.
Netty is an authoritarian so he knows squeezing bidens balls on this is a “victory” for himself regardless if Gaza is decimated
Here’s my take that no one asked for.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don’t suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
To me, this means that most don’t personally care about what’s going on in Palestine, they’ve just been told what to feel by social media which has filtered all Israel/Palestine information through a megaphone. These people flitter between one cause after another, never forming their own opinions or taking the time to view things objectively. They just wait for what the internet tells them they should feel and act on it.
that’s a lot of assumptions about what these people are thinking
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don’t suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
Countries around the world erupted in protests against Israel and in celebration of the attacks on Oct 7th before Israel even responded.
The answer is quite simple, they hate Jews. The reason those other issues don’t elicit a reaponse boils down to no Jews no news
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You sure you weren’t being racist and promoting israel’s Genocide?
Lmao the left has been trying to get the government to stop helping the Saudis in Yemen for a decade. And Myanmar was literally headline news.
Do you know about what’s going on in Sudan right now?
Ethiopia?
Somalia?
Sri Lanka?
Tao Tao?
The Sahel?
Haiti?
Mozambique?
Democratic Republic of Congo?
Mexico?
Pakistan?
Chad?
If we have to tackle every conflict every time we want to denounce one actor in one conflict; we’re going to be here a long time.
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Straw man, nobody is saying to vote for trump
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If only there was one thing Biden could do right now to salvage those key voting blocks in multiple battleground states he barely won in 2020…
Nah it’s the people who are wrong.
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Okay, and?
Nobody said anything about the GOP.
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It’s a Simpsons meme in text. He could just stop sending aid. Literally that one thing would ensure his reelection.
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It’s a “gotcha” word. If Sanders or AOC said genocide, which AOC danced around it without saying it, the media would destroy them.
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My end game? Pressure Biden into dropping his support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
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He circumvented congress to sell Netanyahu weapons to be used for genocide. That’s a more reliable indicator than the words of a politician.
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I did answer. You didn’t like the answer because it wasn’t unquestioning support for the genocide you’ve always wanted.
I think you have created a false dichotomy here where you seem to claim that the only two options are “Biden said explicitly that he supported the Israeli genocide in Gaza” or “Biden does not support the Israeli genocide in Gaza” when it seems self evident that more than those two options exist.
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How?
In what kind of way is trying to get a president to change his mind on helping to destroy Gaza and its people anything like bringing in a bunch of Young Republicans to stop counting legitimate votes in order to steal an election?
Like, even just on vibes alone… how?
according to democrats…
if you didn’t vote for Joe biden, you were a trumper
you were supposed to hold your nose and vote, then pressure him on policy.
but not now, I guess. wait until he’s out of office?
By making it clear that if the Democrats support Genocide they will not get voted for.
You can blame the DNC for this. Stop blaming the victims
“It’s a false flag by antifa and the feds” vibe.
Good old Kremlin propaganda. How is it genocide joe??? Sounds like kgb talking points.
Hello Sen. McCarthy. How’s hell this time of the year?
I wouldn’t be surprised. But damn does he have to open himself up to criticism like this during an election year? And to defend (checks notes) the world’s most obvious induced famine genocide since the Holodomor?
What is his upside here?
All these mental idiots in this thread equating criticism of Biden to supporting Trump are the reason why nothing ever changes.
Bet you its the same people who voted for Biden in the primaries instead of a real leftist/progressive like Bernie Sanders.
If Imran Khan sitting in jail sending messages to his voters via a fake AI version of himself can garner enough votes to defeat the militarily backed opposition in Pakistan, there is no excuse for why democrats can’t be at least forced to listen to their constituency instead of running yet another corporate shill and then crying when they lose elections again because said corporate shill actively funded a genocide
Wow get a load of these Trumpist chuds.
