I’m gonna agree with the UK on this one, you wanna fuck off and join ISIS you can live with the decision elsewhere.
A child who was groomed and sex trafficked by terrorists is now being punished for it. Also this is a punishment that is only being applied to her because she has Bangladeshi ancestors so the government argues she is hypothetically eligible for a Bangladeshi passport (which the government of Bangladesh has no intention of giving her), and so the Tories can pretend they’re not illegally rendering her stateless.
This is literally a punishment that, by the Tories’ own formulation of their rule, would not be applied if the sex trafficking victim was a white girl called Shania with English parents instead of a brown girl called Shamima.
We’re supposed to be a country where people are treated equally before the law. But the Tories are now claiming that they and any future government has the right to render any Briton with some hypothetical right to a foreign passport (for example, most second generation immigrants and every single Jewish Briton) stateless at the whim of the home secretary.
Great summary, but I want to point out that the reality of why they’re doing this is to pander to racist voters who were told their opinion by a highly effective villification campaign against this woman in tabloid newspapers.
Once these things gain traction, politicians always kowtow to the loudest public opinions
Totally. In my alternative scenario where she was a blonde-haired blue-eyed white girl called Shania, the Daily Express would have turned her into a Madeleine McCann-like figure and campaigned every day on their front pages to ‘bring our girl home’.
Should all children who are groomed and exploited be cast out? Or just those children who are groomed and exploited in specific ways?
@Zellith this, she was groomed in the UK and trafficked at age 15 by a people smuggler (who was actually a 5 Eyes/ Canadian asset, what’s worse).
And “married” off a few days later.
Anyone who thinks 15 is too young for the age of consent should face the fact she wasn’t capable of consenting to any of that.
No, fuck her.
Shamima Begum ‘was member of feared Isis morality police’ in Syria
Begum asked for the UK’s forgiveness and claimed that she still supported “some British values”. She said she had been partly inspired to join IS by videos of fighters beheading hostages and also of “the good life” under the group. When asked about the Manchester Arena bombing, she said she was shocked and didn’t “know about the kids”, then said it was wrong to kill innocent people, but that IS considered it justified as retaliation for the coalition bombing of IS-held areas. When questioned about rape, enslavement and murder of Yazidi women, she claimed, “Shia do the same in Iraq”.*
on February 2019, her father Ahmed Ali said, “If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong.” Begum reacted by stating that she regretted speaking to the media and said the UK is making an example out of her.
I suppose you’re of the belief that Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe shouldn’t be gaoled for the murder of Brianna Ghey as well because they were only 16 and what could they possibly know about right or wrong being little children, unable to make decisions on their own.
She is an unremorseful piece of utter shit who directly caused suffering onto others, after being inspired by watching innocent people being murdered. A teenager is not some completely helpless thing, they are capable of making horrific decisions of their own will and sometimes they must live with the consequences of those choices as I’m sure you no doubt agree should happen such as with the Ghey case. If it was something minor, you could probably argue that it was just a stupid childhood mistake, this goes far above and beyond that.
@Deceptichum that’s a pretty weird straw man.
Just to be clear I think she should be in jail (or juvenile before that) for participating in war crimes.
She should be in a British jail.
Disowning your citizens when they commit crimes overseas and turning them into the world’s problem - more specifically the problem of very impoverished nations like Syria and Bangladesh - is an irresponsible, selfish, and shitty thing for the UK to do.
It’s not a view I think you hold, it’s an example of how I think you don’t adhere to your ‘she wasn’t capable of consenting’ argument because I hope you agree that Jenkinson and Ratcliffe were able to ‘consent’ to their own actions at a similar age.
And if you don’t think she can consent, and is actually a victim in all this, why do you want her gaoled?
@Deceptichum I had never heard of those people and had to google them. I… really don’t want to deep dive into true crime right now so I don’t hold an opinion on whether they can be sucessfuly rehabbed but the point I made elsewhere about child soldiers applies in general - it’s a difficult area to deal with, but Western countries need to step up.
My guiding principle here is that I believe human rights are inalienable.
I’m arguing against the idea that there is anything a 15 year old can do that strips them of their human rights.
And it’s ironic that if she’d just been trafficked to Rotherford or something half the people deriving enjoyment from her current status would have had a different response.
She voluntarily chose to go join ISIS after watching videos of people being beheaded, you make it sound like she was kidnapped off of the street and shipped to the middle east against her will.
Bruh she was a fuckin rape snitch for isis. She should very much face justice in the country she committed her crimes in not “just a spot of war crime tourism”.
Will All British citizens who joined the IDF to commit genocide in Gaza receive the same treatment and have their British citizenship removed ? I bet not.
According to British and western double standards, you are only a criminal when your acts don’t align with their interests. Fucking hypocrites.
Not a criminal, a stateless nobody stuck in a detention camp (where there have been credible allegations of guard abuse) with no legal rights to any sort of humane treatment or medical care or anything
Good
She was a vulnerable teenager who was groomed and trafficked into a religious cult. A white girl would not have been treated like this by the law, the press and the public.
She is Bangladesh originated. Even we don’t want her.
What?
I think they are conveying the sentiment in their country, Bangladesh. It’s not their problem in the first place.
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