Just to be clear I think she should be in jail (or juvenile before that) for participating in war crimes.
She should be in a British jail.
Disowning your citizens when they commit crimes overseas and turning them into the world’s problem - more specifically the problem of very impoverished nations like Syria and Bangladesh - is an irresponsible, selfish, and shitty thing for the UK to do.
It’s not a view I think you hold, it’s an example of how I think you don’t adhere to your ‘she wasn’t capable of consenting’ argument because I hope you agree that Jenkinson and Ratcliffe were able to ‘consent’ to their own actions at a similar age.
And if you don’t think she can consent, and is actually a victim in all this, why do you want her gaoled?
@Deceptichum I had never heard of those people and had to google them. I… really don’t want to deep dive into true crime right now so I don’t hold an opinion on whether they can be sucessfuly rehabbed but the point I made elsewhere about child soldiers applies in general - it’s a difficult area to deal with, but Western countries need to step up.
My guiding principle here is that I believe human rights are inalienable.
I’m arguing against the idea that there is anything a 15 year old can do that strips them of their human rights.
And it’s ironic that if she’d just been trafficked to Rotherford or something half the people deriving enjoyment from her current status would have had a different response.
She voluntarily chose to go join ISIS after watching videos of people being beheaded, you make it sound like she was kidnapped off of the street and shipped to the middle east against her will.
The British government bears responsibility for letting that happen to one of their citizens either way. The responsible thing to do is to imprison them yourselves, not leaving them stuck in a ramshackle detention camp in rebel held territory in Syria.
@Deceptichum you should take a look at the wikipedia article about the girl that was taken the previous year, it’s quite eye ipening about the methods this cult used to prey on these kids.
Just a completely unrelated fyi here: On lemmy you don’t need to tag a user when you’re replying directly to one of their comments, they’ll automatically get a notification in their inbox.
The reason it turns up in my comments is because kbin autopopulates our comments with tags, and I don’t always remember to check where I am and delete that before I post.
On Kbin itself they’re handy. Kbin integrates with Mastodon and those guys kind of need @tags to follow our conversation threads when they come to discuss our posts.
And on lemmys, the @ is useful for me to keep track of who I’m saying what to anyway at times because our threading can’t handle some of the really big lemmy comment sections.
Bruh she was a fuckin rape snitch for isis. She should very much face justice in the country she committed her crimes in not “just a spot of war crime tourism”.
@Deceptichum that’s a pretty weird straw man.
Just to be clear I think she should be in jail (or juvenile before that) for participating in war crimes.
She should be in a British jail.
Disowning your citizens when they commit crimes overseas and turning them into the world’s problem - more specifically the problem of very impoverished nations like Syria and Bangladesh - is an irresponsible, selfish, and shitty thing for the UK to do.
It’s not a view I think you hold, it’s an example of how I think you don’t adhere to your ‘she wasn’t capable of consenting’ argument because I hope you agree that Jenkinson and Ratcliffe were able to ‘consent’ to their own actions at a similar age.
And if you don’t think she can consent, and is actually a victim in all this, why do you want her gaoled?
@Deceptichum I had never heard of those people and had to google them. I… really don’t want to deep dive into true crime right now so I don’t hold an opinion on whether they can be sucessfuly rehabbed but the point I made elsewhere about child soldiers applies in general - it’s a difficult area to deal with, but Western countries need to step up.
My guiding principle here is that I believe human rights are inalienable.
I’m arguing against the idea that there is anything a 15 year old can do that strips them of their human rights.
And it’s ironic that if she’d just been trafficked to Rotherford or something half the people deriving enjoyment from her current status would have had a different response.
She voluntarily chose to go join ISIS after watching videos of people being beheaded, you make it sound like she was kidnapped off of the street and shipped to the middle east against her will.
The British government bears responsibility for letting that happen to one of their citizens either way. The responsible thing to do is to imprison them yourselves, not leaving them stuck in a ramshackle detention camp in rebel held territory in Syria.
@Deceptichum you should take a look at the wikipedia article about the girl that was taken the previous year, it’s quite eye ipening about the methods this cult used to prey on these kids.
The worst part is it could have been prevented - her father warned police that these other 15 year olds were at risk and all they did is give the kids themselves a letter to bring to their parents.
Just a completely unrelated fyi here: On lemmy you don’t need to tag a user when you’re replying directly to one of their comments, they’ll automatically get a notification in their inbox.
@_dev_null thanks, I know.
The reason it turns up in my comments is because kbin autopopulates our comments with tags, and I don’t always remember to check where I am and delete that before I post.
On Kbin itself they’re handy. Kbin integrates with Mastodon and those guys kind of need @tags to follow our conversation threads when they come to discuss our posts.
And on lemmys, the @ is useful for me to keep track of who I’m saying what to anyway at times because our threading can’t handle some of the really big lemmy comment sections.
Ah til, thanks for taking the time to enumerate that for me!
I’m on Mastodon. I don’t need the @s . I delete them from my auto populated comments.
The threading turns out fine
@bigMouthCommie good to know! Maybe it’s just at my end that it gets messed up.
Bruh she was a fuckin rape snitch for isis. She should very much face justice in the country she committed her crimes in not “just a spot of war crime tourism”.