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    8 months ago

    Frankly I’m tired of these made up questions. Do you want to compromise with progressives and leftists or lose to fascists? Stop bargaining, make a choice and be confident that the outcome is what you chose.

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      So your choice is to lose to fascists…? Because if people don’t vote for Biden, Democrats will lose to fascists.

      No made up analogy there. Straight up go to jail, don’t pass go, end of democracy, Trump dictatorship. This honestly is not hyperbole this time around.

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      So even though you don’t think it’s what you’re doing, you’re choosing neutrality. And “neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”

      I’d consider myself more a leftist than not, but I’m not blind. Events like this make it quite clear how much worse the other option is. Neither side actually cares, so I’m going with the side that does the least harm, even though I don’t think it goes far enough.

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        You’re free to call yourself whatever you want but all you’re doing is repeating moderate talking points for them. Whatever your beliefs are, your actions support moderate politics. The same politics which have failed to address Trump.

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          I’m not beholden to any party or wing thereof. I see a news story like this, though, and I’ll do whatever I can to keep that party out of office.

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            Have you tried telling moderates they need to wise up and start compromising with progressives and leftists?

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              Of course. Hasn’t everyone? But the moderates hold all the power, both in Washington and in the media; which means that if they won’t make a compromise with the left, they’ll make a compromise with the right. And remember, there currently is no moderate right.

              Which deal do you want to see?

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                Of course. Hasn’t everyone?

                Give me some examples.

                [moderates will] make a compromise with the right

                Yes, moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives. They’re selfish pieces of shit.

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                  Agreed. Doesn’t mean that letting their selfishness kill people is the right option.

                  Give me some examples.

                  Come on, man. You’re on Lemmy. You’ve seen every third post in /c/politics. You know the score.

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                    Again as someone from a minority wing I’m not “letting” them do anything. If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact. Moderates can’t keep controlling the narrative that people like me are at fault while also being irrelevant. They need to pick one. Until they do, I’m going with I’m irrelevant.

                    Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change. If it changes here it will either mean everyday opinions have shifted or cause everyday opinions to shift.

                    People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.