Of course. Hasn’t everyone? But the moderates hold all the power, both in Washington and in the media; which means that if they won’t make a compromise with the left, they’ll make a compromise with the right. And remember, there currently is no moderate right.
Again as someone from a minority wing I’m not “letting” them do anything. If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact. Moderates can’t keep controlling the narrative that people like me are at fault while also being irrelevant. They need to pick one. Until they do, I’m going with I’m irrelevant.
Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change. If it changes here it will either mean everyday opinions have shifted or cause everyday opinions to shift.
People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.
If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact.
You’re binarizing something that is definitely not binary; this is a far, far more complex system than that, and assuming it to be this simple is incredibly naive. Your actions may very well be enough to tip something over in one direction, but not in the other. In fact, that’s most likely to be true; adding a few more individuals to a critically endangered population of animals probably won’t cause them to suddenly bounce back, but removing them from that population is very likely to cause their extinction.
Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change.
Me too. Very much so. But would you listen to someone who said you weren’t worth making deals with? A quarter-century of progressives taking this tactic have only pushed Democrats further to the right and moved the Overton Window away from the world we’d like to see. Do you really think continuing on this course is likely to change the outcome?
People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.
Cool message. Are you cool with millions of people dying and democracy in the US ending entirely in order to send it?
The stakes are too high. Jack Posobiec, on stage at CPAC yesterday, said, “We’re here to overthrow democracy completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6th, but we will endeavor to get rid of it & replace it with this right here.” The “this” he was talking about was his own clenched fist. And the people present, including Steve Bannon, cheered him loudly. Trump is speaking there tomorrow, and if you think he’s going to rationally give a repudiation of what Posobiec said…well, that would explain your viewpoint, honestly.
I want you to see the privilege you’re exercising in order to say this. I know you feel like you are being ignored, and maybe you are, but the fact that you’re able to make this statement means that you’re not in a cage on the Southern border, or hemmed in on the ground in Gaza, or pinned down by Russian fire in Ukraine. You have the privilege to be this petulant, and I want you to recognize that.
If you do, and you’ve decided that this is how you want to spend that privilege–rather than helping get progressive or leftist candidates on ballots, rather than holding existing politicians to account, rather than helping people in your community who need food and shelter, rather than being a resource for oppressed people fleeing red states–that’s your decision. But again, don’t make the mistake of calling us immoral for being willing to tear down the system from the inside rather than standing on the outside complaining that nobody inside will listen.
You’re binarizing something that is definitely not binary; this is a far, far more complex system than that, and assuming it to be this simple is incredibly naive
I’m just gonna keep repeating this to you: If you really consider yourself a leftist or a progressive then stop fighting leftists and progressives. Take all this energy and direct it towards moderates.
“If you really care about the train barreling toward the people tied to the track, stop trying to slow down the train and direct your energy toward getting rid of the villain who ties people to the track.”
Been waiting 20 years for people to fight the villain. You never do. You defend moderates with all your might and dish out lectures to leftists and progressives.
Of course. Hasn’t everyone? But the moderates hold all the power, both in Washington and in the media; which means that if they won’t make a compromise with the left, they’ll make a compromise with the right. And remember, there currently is no moderate right.
Which deal do you want to see?
Give me some examples.
Yes, moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives. They’re selfish pieces of shit.
Agreed. Doesn’t mean that letting their selfishness kill people is the right option.
Come on, man. You’re on Lemmy. You’ve seen every third post in /c/politics. You know the score.
Again as someone from a minority wing I’m not “letting” them do anything. If I’m not a part of a large enough wing to warrant compromise then I’m not a part of a large enough wing to have an impact. Moderates can’t keep controlling the narrative that people like me are at fault while also being irrelevant. They need to pick one. Until they do, I’m going with I’m irrelevant.
Moderates criticisms of leftists and progressives score much much higher than the other way around. I’d like to see that change. If it changes here it will either mean everyday opinions have shifted or cause everyday opinions to shift.
People need to start telling moderates as the majority voting bloc when Democrat candidates lose it’s their fault.
You’re binarizing something that is definitely not binary; this is a far, far more complex system than that, and assuming it to be this simple is incredibly naive. Your actions may very well be enough to tip something over in one direction, but not in the other. In fact, that’s most likely to be true; adding a few more individuals to a critically endangered population of animals probably won’t cause them to suddenly bounce back, but removing them from that population is very likely to cause their extinction.
Me too. Very much so. But would you listen to someone who said you weren’t worth making deals with? A quarter-century of progressives taking this tactic have only pushed Democrats further to the right and moved the Overton Window away from the world we’d like to see. Do you really think continuing on this course is likely to change the outcome?
Cool message. Are you cool with millions of people dying and democracy in the US ending entirely in order to send it?
The stakes are too high. Jack Posobiec, on stage at CPAC yesterday, said, “We’re here to overthrow democracy completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6th, but we will endeavor to get rid of it & replace it with this right here.” The “this” he was talking about was his own clenched fist. And the people present, including Steve Bannon, cheered him loudly. Trump is speaking there tomorrow, and if you think he’s going to rationally give a repudiation of what Posobiec said…well, that would explain your viewpoint, honestly.
I want you to see the privilege you’re exercising in order to say this. I know you feel like you are being ignored, and maybe you are, but the fact that you’re able to make this statement means that you’re not in a cage on the Southern border, or hemmed in on the ground in Gaza, or pinned down by Russian fire in Ukraine. You have the privilege to be this petulant, and I want you to recognize that.
If you do, and you’ve decided that this is how you want to spend that privilege–rather than helping get progressive or leftist candidates on ballots, rather than holding existing politicians to account, rather than helping people in your community who need food and shelter, rather than being a resource for oppressed people fleeing red states–that’s your decision. But again, don’t make the mistake of calling us immoral for being willing to tear down the system from the inside rather than standing on the outside complaining that nobody inside will listen.
I’m just gonna keep repeating this to you: If you really consider yourself a leftist or a progressive then stop fighting leftists and progressives. Take all this energy and direct it towards moderates.
“If you really care about the train barreling toward the people tied to the track, stop trying to slow down the train and direct your energy toward getting rid of the villain who ties people to the track.”
Been waiting 20 years for people to fight the villain. You never do. You defend moderates with all your might and dish out lectures to leftists and progressives.
Ok buddy. You’re gonna need to find a more constructive way to vent your anger. I recommend therapy over letting the world burn.