I feel like this should be submitted to someone for a mental health review, this person should not own guns
If only there was some sort of screening for that, hmm.
No we can’t do that because hypothetically someone with a revolver is going to stop an entire dictatorship one day.
Mental health issue is a distraction by the right wing so no one looks too hard at the misanthropic mind washing they’ve been doing.
These people shoot people because they’re hateful shits.
I promise not to use the doorbell, instead I shall announce my arrival by throwing acorns at the door.
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This is America, sonny! You don’t throw acorns like some forest folk! You unload your Glock 19 into the door frame and pray to God you don’t need more ammo!
“Praise the lord and pass the ammunition” ;)
You acorn owners are all the same. Don’t you know that acorn owners are twice as likely to have an acorn hit the roof of their car than non-acorn owners?
Just make sure there are no cops.
They might send a tank to take care of the acorn threat.
Why does this guy even have a doorbell?
How else would he know the burglars are coming?
The stupid part is he used the doorbell exactly as intended. That’s how he knew there was a kid at the door. He’s just trying to shift blame to innocent people doing innocuous things because he wants to shoot them.
Gotta have a reason to blast a kid these days sadly.
Because if they stand in front of the door knocker, the knocker might deflect the bullets.
At my house we mock the dogs for freaking out over the doorbell. “Yeah, a malicious person is going to bother ringing the doorbell”
This guy is on the level of our dogs.
“Yeah, a malicious person is going to bother ringing the doorbell”
I mean, yea that is a tactic home invaders use. It’s a good way to get someone to unlock their door. Is it a reason to shoot somebody for ringing your doorbell? Absolutely not, but being cautious about who you answer for doesn’t hurt.
Sure, it happens, but most of the time it’ doesnt. Most people will never have that happen in their lives.
An appropriate response to that fear might be using an intercom or chain lock or video doorbell to find out, or get a dog, or choose not to answer the door
I just don’t answer the door.
Not because I’m afraid of boogeymen, or anything, but because I just can’t be arsed. No one I want to talk to would try knocking or ringing my doorbell. It’s inevitably some tiresome asshole selling something, or pestering me about their whackadoo specialty religion, or begging for something, or it’s the cops with the wrong address.
You’re 100% correct. I was just replying to the “Yeah, a malicious person is going to bother ringing a doorbell” part of their comment that implied it never happens.
Yeah, I suppose it was an oversimplification, I won’t open the door withtout some sort of seeing who it is first. However the dogs reaction is always assume that the person ringing the bell is a dire threat, and thus far it never has been.
Except dogs actually have a sense of loyality and can be loving. This person is just a fucking cockroach
If you need a gun in order to feel safe in your own home, you live in a shithole country.
This is a safe country. Only the assclowns feeding off manufactured fears so they can own an arsenal think otherwise.
Welcome to Russia. Here good Uncle Voenkom will give you gun bo matter you want it or not, but you will be in someone else’s home.
Or have a shithole mindset.
The entire world is a shit hole at this point
Always has been 🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀
Not quite yet, but we’re working on it.
Or you have a severe case of paranoia.
Way too many people, especially Americans, have a gun-slinger complex. They’re looking for an excuse, any excuse, to use their guns, and feel like they’re “heroes”. These people are dangerous and the antithesis of what gun owners should be - responsible and careful. This ain’t the “well regulated militia” mentioned in the constitution, this is angsty, angry, insecure people with issues trying to act tough by shooting someone.
It’s a murder fetish. Flat out. They can hem and haw all they want, the end goal of owning a gun is murder.
“what if someone robs you?!”
So what, take my wallet with no cash and a card that’ll get locked. Take my phone and watch that are locked and my phone is set to factory reset after a few wrong codes. I can replace them.
“What if someone breaks into your house?!”
It’s just stuff. 🤷 They don’t want my fireproof document safe they want my consoles and pcs. My pcs are all backed up off site and the drives are encrypted.
In both cases I have serial numbers etc of everything also saved off site to report them stolen.
I put life over stuff. If you gotta pull a gun on me and demand my wallet you’re CLEARLY having a worse day than I am. If I do have cash whatever take my $50 idgaf 🤷
That’s kinda my thoughts on the matter. I have a couple rifles and shot guns that are mostly just family heirlooms, and one rifle that’s explicitly for protection.
Unfortunately i live in one of the most dangerous states in the south, and I’m a minority married to a white woman. When all the racist people in the state were getting all crazy during the trump years, I decided having a rifle that wasn’t an antique was probably a good idea.
But it’s pretty much explicitly for protecting my family and friends from the potential of eventual racial violence. I would actually feel kinda bad for anyone who actually tried to rob my house, there’s just nothing to really steal. Definitely nothing worth dying or killing for. Hell I’d probably make a pretty good return on the insurance claim.
the end goal of owning a gun is murder.
Well, I mean, depending on how you define murder. The end goal of a gun might also be hunting (which might be murder depending on your definition of like, whitetail deer being something worth preserving), sport shooting, or vintage collecting/odd engineering collecting. The main alternative use case mostly being hunting, I would say, nine times out of ten, which is still shadowed overwhelmingly be people who are super fear-mongered about randomly getting shot. You can definitely still kill someone with, say, a hunting rifle, a .22lr sport pistol with a barrel weight and a custom grip and a 1000 dollar reflex sight, or a vintage civil war musket, right, but I wouldn’t say that any of those things are really like, carried or owned with the end goal of killing someone.
I’d also bring up, as an intellectual point, more than anything else, since this really doesn’t tend to be a successful tactic in modern society, that someone can take all your stuff, right, but it might also be a very valuable tactic to just straight up kidnap you. There’s human trafficking, but then there’s also, them trying to extort your immediate family. You would see this more with nobles in the middle ages, though, I don’t think such a thing is really common enough nowadays to be worried about, basically at all, for the same reasons that it’s kind of absurd to expect someone to randomly break in to your house and steal all your shit while you’re still there. Most people looking to rob someone would much rather do so while nobody’s home, for pretty obvious reasons. If you were to kidnap someone, you’d probably want to go for the highest ROI possible and just go for like, a super rich trust fund kid, or something, which isn’t gonna be the vast majority of people. I think this tends to be the case more often in other countries.
The fucked up part to me is that we have convinced basically the majority of gun owners, who might otherwise be normal, non-gun-owning people in a different society, that they should own guns on the basis of self-defense, which is kind of mostly insane flat out. It’s not a belief that’s based in reality for the vast majority of gun owners, it’s an idea that’s been marketed to them as a result of a politically funded kind of cottage industry that funds weapons manufacturing in america and abroad.
At the same time, as we’ve seen in this post, this also results in a lot of crazy people with guns, which begets more people with guns in response. A literal arms race, much like we see now with car sizes, where people are convinced they must buy bigger to protect themselves. I can’t really, in good conscience, say that, for example, a black trans woman, that will probably on average live to be like, 30, mostly as a result of hate crimes, shouldn’t own a gun for self-defense. They might not want to own a gun for other reasons, right, like mental health, or not having the ability to really secure it or use it effectively, but I can’t really disagree with them on the basis that they would want to own one for self-defense. I would politically advocate for this not to be the reality in which we have to live, but I can still acknowledge the reality of these sorts, honestly not super uncommon edge cases, while I work against it.
It’s sort of the same frustration I encounter when someone inevitably brings up how, oh, well, they would otherwise take a bike, or have a small shitbox, right, but their kids, really, it’s to protect the children. Really, they live way out in the boonies, and they have 7 children, so of course they need an escalade capable of towing 5 horses. I can’t really argue against that, you know? Most people don’t give a shit about like, what intellectually scales for society at large, they just give a shit about what’s through their own myopic worldview, and I can’t exactly blame people for acting in their own self-interest, even if it ends up being kind of shittier for society at large, or if it ends up just playing into a kind of broader cycle most people aren’t privy too.
I don’t know if exposure to modern gun culture makes people paranoid, or if paranoid people are just drawn to whacking off over their guns. But here they are ruining it for the rest of us. As usual.
Either way, most (all) of us do not have the types of enemies where we need to slink around our own homes strapped all the time, ready to dive under the couch at the slightest bump, rattle, or… ring of the doorbell. Dude. Nobody is out to get you. I promise.
I have an idea: If you don’t want motherfuckers ringing your doorbell, don’t have a doorbell.
Why do they have a doorbell?
So they know who to shoot!
Why have a doorbell?
So he can claim he was terrified for his life when he starts blasting 5 year olds through the oak panels.
He and the guy who did this are in a Facebook group together
If someone doesn’t want another person to use their doorbell…maybe they shouldn’t have a doorbell…
People will knock on the door if there is no bell. I’d say have a doorbell but don’t have it hooked up to anything. Hated when I lived in a place with only a door knocker, would always jump when there was knocking
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That version is missing the best part, putting on the powdered wig and shouting "Tally Ho, Lads! " as he blasts the rapscallions apart with the stair-mounted cannon
Republicans are psychotic. Yes they must be Republican.
There are articles about this incident as the person posting was a public figure.
I also think he died later that year of “natural causes” at home, and that he was actually known for being quite a humanitarian. I remember speculation that he had suffered serious health and especially neurological damage from covid – and no, I don’t believe he was any kind of antimasker or the like. Hopefully I am not mixing up separate events.
If all that’s true, there’s a failure of someone to intervene. We have an altered mental state and threatening someone’s life for a minor nuisance. Someone really needed to see if he was serious and if he was still in a sound enough state to do things like drive or posses deadly weapons.
How would people feel if he really shot a kid for ringing his doorbell? When he warned people ahead of time? Especially if he was later found to have an altered mental state ifrom health issues?
Explanations of bad behavior should not be automatically interpreted as excuses for bad behavior.
This really should be permanently on the “make a comment” page on apps and sites like Lemmy
Why even have the fucking bell then. Sounds like entrapment if you just mean to shooet whomever rings your bell.
Does anyone ask these psychos why they’re so utterly terrified of everything? He’s basically saying he’s scared of kids at his door. This is not badass tough guy behavior, I don’t care if you’re “not fucking around”, you’re a scared little pissbaby.
When my brother was getting up in arms about LGBTQ books and stuff in schools, this is how I framed it to ridicule him.
“Why do you feel threatened by gay and trans people? Why are you afraid of the LGBTQ?”
Being intolerant and everything, having it framed that way really got under his skin.
Then why does the dude have a doorbell? Oh so it’s a game to him. He wants to shoot kids.
This is insane.
I do however want to segue into an idea I had for a new doorbell. Basically when you press the button, instead of immediately ringing inside the house, a pre recorded voice asks a series of questions. Then, AI analyzes the answers against your set of rules and determines if the person is allowed to be interrupting you. Imagine a sales person ringing your doorbell and getting you asking "hey what’s this about? Is she expecting you?’ And then declining to ring the doorbell and asking them to leave. My cats would be thrilled.
AI doorbell: Please state why ‘your house is on fire’ is a valid reason to interrupting the individual inside.
AI doorbell: Sorry, I didn’t catch that. Please state your reason again. Sorry, I didn’t catch that. Please state your reason again.
Salespeople would very quickly switch to knocking loudly.
I love this idea. It could be used and programmed to individual preferences. I would train it that if they said they were police it would ask if they have a warrant and if they didn’t it wouldn’t ring the bell.
Not being from the US: how many unsolicited visits do you get that this is even a problem? And who is it?
Living in a rural area, it’s relatively rare.
It’s an annoying amount. Jehovah’s Witnesses (they are relentless), Verizon (trying to get people to switch ISP services from Comcast), shady home security services that ask way too many probing questions, local activists seeking donations for their cause, and political campaign volunteers.
Generally if there’s a knock on my door, I ignore it.
“Nah, I’m not soliciting. I’m trying to give you a free quote on new windows for your house”
“No, I didn’t see that NO SOLICITING sign posted two inches above the doorbell”
SCREAMING BABY IN THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE THE DOORBELL WOKE HER UP FROM HER NAP “Do you have a minute to talk about your cable provider?”
there are ways to get into the jehovas witness shitlist so they never bother you again like telling them youre disfellowshipped, as its forbidden for them to interact with disfellowshipped members.
Answer the door naked once, and the JWs will blacklist you. If you aren’t willing to get naked, order the biggest lifelike dildo you can get for under $20 bucks and hand it to them the next time they call.
I’d say less than one per month where I live. (Not downtown city but also not rural)
While it varies a lot and I probably miss many for not being home, I see at least every month when the weather is good
- When there were younger families in the neighborhood, there were always kids looking to fundraiser in various ways to help fund kid activities. Selling Girl Scout cookies is a ver well known example but many kids activities do this
- now I mostly see home improvement solicitations, “we’re in your neighborhood doing x and we’ll give you a special deal if you do it now”. I don’t know if those are ever legit but it’s a well known scam
- election stuff. Way too much election stuff. New candidates need many signatures of support to get on a ballot. Local politicians want to become a familiar face. Activists want signatures for ballot initiatives or referendums
Personally I would like people to do a minimum of 5 Captchas to send me a text message.
Currently a video doorbell can pop up a picture on your phone so you can make the same decision. Most can also act as an intercom.
My first reaction was to like the idea as a nice extension to existing functionality, I don’t see it working.
- Someone you don’t want to see has no reason to be honest: solicitors are already in a gray area trying to trick you out of your money and there’s no reason it would stop here
- Someone you do want to see may be annoyed and discouraged at jumping through too many hoops. You’re not that important to deal with that
easier screening process, make them ring the doorbell three times to actually ring it, and then make the first two shock them just a little bit. should screen out most people who are ringing your doorbell for trivial reasons, and if you know the trick you could just push it with the sleeve of your shirt, or a stick, or something.
you could also just get a no soliciting sign, though.
My Ring does this already
A salesperson would just keep ringing or knock because they would want to make the sale, they’re persistently annoying
